Sen. Ben Nelson (d) of Nebraska Blocks important nomination.

[Dizel8]

Here is how I see it, when the Republicans are in power, the Democrats do everything they can to stop any progress, so that they can say to the American people: "Look, the Republicans accomplished nothing, vote for a democrat", of course, when the Democrats are in power, it is exactly the same thing, in reverse.

Either side could come up with the great proposal, eg. guaranteeing ever lasting world peace, however, you can rest assured, the other side would oppose it. The only place they seem not to dare, is when it comes to funding for our men and women in harms way, since that would almost amount to political suicide, as it should be.

As long as the people in DC only care about themselves and getting re-elected, things will never change. Worst part is, under these circumstances, it allows a few elected officials to dictate terms: "You want my vote, I get this earmark in return!"

It's pathetic, it really is. Whether you are a Democrat or Republican, you should expect better from your elected officials!

 

[dragontamer]

I am soooooo tired of hearing Obama blame the current mess on something he just "inherited" one year ago.

Has everyone forgotten that he was a senator before? We are in the 4th year of a democratically held congress (the folks that spend the money)--Obama supported the majority during this time. Am I disappointed in Bush's lack of spending restraint? Yes, but for the party that has been in power in the Congress to continually blame him solely is hypochritical.

 

[Bigoober]

Hmmm...let's see about that.

1. Health Care Reform passed the House, with a public option intact. Try to talk your way out of that one Sparky.

2. Lieberman is an Independent, but claims to caucus with the Democrats, even while he was on the campaign trail for McCain, so I think it's safe to say he's not in that camp. So there goes your super-majority.

3. The Senate had a watered down but still doable version of Health Care Reform that had enough votes to pass, even after Lieberman's suckup to Big Insurance in his home state of CT, where...guess what - The Hartford Insurance Co. is based.

4. Harry Reid could have brought this to a floor vote even before Brown was sworn in, but wisely chose not to because it would have looked like a strong arm move.

So, you were saying...

As for the filibusters, go back into the record and check for yourself the number of filibusters that have been used by the Republicans in 2009.
Note to yourself: You don't need to have 41 Repubs to do a filibuster. 40 +1 so-called Independent from CT will work just fine, or maybe 1 Dem whose name appears in the title of this thread.

Strike three! Don't need to talk myself out of anything as your original point was that filibusters ruined Obama's agenda. My point was that Democrats did enough on their own.

A filibuster didn't ruin this bill. Democrats couldn't get enough of their own to come to an agreement. House wanted public option, Senate didn't. Moderate Democrats didn't want abortion add-on, liberal Democrats did. A couple of Republicans voted to even allow Reid's bill onto the Senate floor.

All of this from someone that recognizes that both parties are having problems putting the country first (which was your second strike- can't call myself Republican).

 

[FlickerFade]

You are correct, that is a divisive statement and I should've known better. For that I apologize.

I do stand by the rest of my comments however. I see this while flying, jumpseating, having a cold one, etc..

While my politics may seem leftist to you, yours seem way too far to the right for me. How you like them apples? Lets agree to disagree. My beef with all this is merely that we as pilots don't always understand how elected officials impact our careers. We focus on other issues and very little on our own.

Just to let you know, I've been a lifelong conservative until now. Not that it matters. Fortunately or unfortunately, I've come to understand who is at least somewhat on our side (labor).

Thanks for being contrite.

My point is that we are a UNION. A group of individuals aligned for a common cause. Like our country, I'm sure that 20% of us (at least) are pretty far left wing. And our leadership tends to be left of center. Problem is that there are a lot of fmr. military, conservatives, and republicans....... who don't see the LABOR component of their vote as the most important one.

A lot of us see "labor" as the state employee unions who are bankrupting our states (mine being California)........... see, their "companies" (states) are bankrupt (they never earn a profit either) and they are immune from the pay cuts we suffer from in the private sector (as good business dictates when they lose so much money). Public employee union members outnumber private ones.

And we who earn $100K+ are in the upper tax brackets that no democrat wants to reduce! A vote for a democrat is a vote for less take home pay for me! And it goes against my principals in may other areas.

So, we are a union. We are not a left-wing union (as composed by the views of our membership). OUR union needs to acknowledge that.

 

[Full of LUV]

What????

Most liberals that you may meet in your life are good people who care more about helping others, righting injustices, and protecting the environment so as to live in a better world, as opposed to the neo-cons who espouse hate, divisiveness, religious exclusivity, and all non-factual incendiary nonsense spewed forth by the likes of Fox News.
Just imagine how quickly the country could advance if the Republicans looked at the President as a fellow American trying to do good for the People rather than a political opponent of a different skin color.

YGTBSM!
First, why if you disagree with the president, is it about his color? This is a problem if we elect a minority president and all dissent is halted due to the perception that it's about his minority status.
Most conservatives would say that Obama is the smartest minority they have ever seen in politics. That, quite frankly is what is so scarey about him, if the libs had elected Jesse Jackson to president, most of the conservatives would have just waited for him to implode.
His politics is allowing him to move the country towards socialism in a rapid pace. That's what the tea party was about initially, the idea that we would socialize 1/3 of our economy overnight (well to be honest, he is so smart that none of the health care legislation, ie medicare cuts, was due to take place in earnest until he had completed his reelection).
BTW: Most conservatives want the same things, clean enviornment, good jobs, safe places to live.... but you claim they spew hate (because they don't agree with gay marriage) or because they don't believe in unfettered, undocummented immigration, or that we need actual ERA legislation (even though women make up more than 50% of the workforce now).
It's the libs who claim that unless you tolerate every aborration of social norms or condone the most outrageous of behavior, you are hateful.
BTW, Republicans passed the Civil Rights Bills giving equal rights to minorities in this country, despite Democratic roadblocks.
Ironic, the Republican party actually passed the legislation that allowed a minority child born who knows where, in a failed marriage, raised in Hawaii by his grandma to become president.
YOUR WELCOME!

 

[dragontamer]

Good post Full of LUV!

It's great watching libs play the "racist" card when other arguments fall apart. Usually, shortly afterwards comes the "birther" comments. How come I only hear about the "birthers" any more from libs? Because they love them and want any nutjobs on the far right to continue.

I am a teaparty radical. I believe in limited government (that balances it's budget just like a do), state's rights and a strong defense. IMO, anyone who is not concerned with the crazy debt we're accumulating is the true nutjob.

I realize this is Flightinfo and most (as am I) are part of a union. However, I am an American first and union member is way down the list of who I am. The nominee this thread was about is bad for this country--as is the Chicago thug sitting in the White House.

 

[Mamma]

Flicker...you can say what you will about Pelosi, but she IS the speaker of the house. Do you not like her because she is a female? Because she is a liberal? Or because she is from SFO? If she loses her seat in the next election, then someone else from the House Majority will take her place...no big deal. By the way, there is nothing wrong with being a liberal. I'd rather stand next to one of them any day of the week rather than some right wing neo-con nut job. Most liberals that you may meet in your life are good people who care more about helping others, righting injustices, and protecting the environment so as to live in a better world, as opposed to the neo-cons who espouse hate, divisiveness, religious exclusivity, and all non-factual incendiary nonsense spewed forth by the likes of Fox News.

772...thanks for the invite. Yes, I'd be happy to get a beer with you in Omaha if I ever get there. You see, the "Best Management Team in the Industry" (that's what they call themselves everytime they give themselves another bonus) only services that city with RJ's instead of Mainline, but maybe that will change in the future; just one more strike item added to the list. For the record, yes, of course I know Lieberman finally voted for Health Care Reform. But...that was only after Nelson watered it down and then Lieberman watered it down further with all of his nasal whineing. I think the People finally got fed up with the Senate version of the bill being vastly different from the much better House version of the bill and they revolted against this and all the deal making that went on in the Senate, especially amongst the likes of Nelson and Lieberman. Thank you for finally admitting that Republicans hold the record on filibusters. That was the point I was making way back in the first post.

Lear...yes, spending does have to be reigned in. You say in the "next decade or two". I counter that it needs to be reigned in much sooner than that. Spending for the Stimulus was needed. Frankly, I believe it should have been more, but it is what it is. The short term spending that the President is doing now is not because he wants to...it is because he has to. This was the ONLY way to get the economy moving again. Kind of like taking that nasty tasting medicine. It sucks going down but in the end it saves you. The Republicans could offer no better alternative, so the President went with the best option he had. I think the People are sick and tired of hearing Republicans cast stones yet offer up no viable alternatives. What they do offer up is not grounded in fact and completely illogical. When run through the CBO, they say the same thing as well. This was brought to light a number of times when the President met with them last week. Kind of ironic how all the major news stations carried that event Live in its entirety, however when it became crystal clear that the President was clearly winning every challenge thrown at him by the 141 Republicans, Fox News decided to break away and stop broadcasting the event.

I believe that as the economy rebounds, the Bush tax cuts for the rich and the corporations begin to expire, and jobs are created (this is why the President is advocating a major Jobs bill; which guess what, is being obstructed by Republicans just for the sake of trying to derail anything and everything this President does), you will see the money in the Treasury start to come back and the next step of the President's plan will be to start reducing the debt. We can only do that with solid well-paying (hopefully UNION) jobs with a large part of them rooted in the manufacturing sector, sound fiscal and tax policy, and an energy policy that shifts to a green economy via the use (85% or more) of zero emission clean alternative energy.

It took 8 years to get us into this mess. It will take at least 4, and probably more, to get us out. We are 1 year into it. So far, I'd say we're doing pretty good despite all of Mitch McConnell and John Boehner's partisan obstructionism. Just imagine how quickly the country could advance if the Republicans looked at the President as a fellow American trying to do good for the People rather than a political opponent of a different skin color.

Kind of interesting how you start your rant off sounding like some ideological nutjob full of loathing and hate but somehow rescue yourself down the road.

 

[rigger]

Originally Posted by DonVerita
Flicker...you can say what you will about Pelosi, but she IS the speaker of the house. Do you not like her because she is a female? Because she is a liberal? Or because she is from SFO? If she loses her seat in the next election, then someone else from the House Majority will take her place...no big deal. By the way, there is nothing wrong with being a liberal. I'd rather stand next to one of them any day of the week rather than some right wing neo-con nut job. Most liberals that you may meet in your life are good people who care more about helping others, righting injustices, and protecting the environment so as to live in a better world, as opposed to the neo-cons who espouse hate, divisiveness, religious exclusivity, and all non-factual incendiary nonsense spewed forth by the likes of Fox News.

772...thanks for the invite. Yes, I'd be happy to get a beer with you in Omaha if I ever get there. You see, the "Best Management Team in the Industry" (that's what they call themselves everytime they give themselves another bonus) only services that city with RJ's instead of Mainline, but maybe that will change in the future; just one more strike item added to the list. For the record, yes, of course I know Lieberman finally voted for Health Care Reform. But...that was only after Nelson watered it down and then Lieberman watered it down further with all of his nasal whineing. I think the People finally got fed up with the Senate version of the bill being vastly different from the much better House version of the bill and they revolted against this and all the deal making that went on in the Senate, especially amongst the likes of Nelson and Lieberman. Thank you for finally admitting that Republicans hold the record on filibusters. That was the point I was making way back in the first post.

Lear...yes, spending does have to be reigned in. You say in the "next decade or two". I counter that it needs to be reigned in much sooner than that. Spending for the Stimulus was needed. Frankly, I believe it should have been more, but it is what it is. The short term spending that the President is doing now is not because he wants to...it is because he has to. This was the ONLY way to get the economy moving again. Kind of like taking that nasty tasting medicine. It sucks going down but in the end it saves you. The Republicans could offer no better alternative, so the President went with the best option he had. I think the People are sick and tired of hearing Republicans cast stones yet offer up no viable alternatives. What they do offer up is not grounded in fact and completely illogical. When run through the CBO, they say the same thing as well. This was brought to light a number of times when the President met with them last week. Kind of ironic how all the major news stations carried that event Live in its entirety, however when it became crystal clear that the President was clearly winning every challenge thrown at him by the 141 Republicans, Fox News decided to break away and stop broadcasting the event.

I believe that as the economy rebounds, the Bush tax cuts for the rich and the corporations begin to expire, and jobs are created (this is why the President is advocating a major Jobs bill; which guess what, is being obstructed by Republicans just for the sake of trying to derail anything and everything this President does), you will see the money in the Treasury start to come back and the next step of the President's plan will be to start reducing the debt. We can only do that with solid well-paying (hopefully UNION) jobs with a large part of them rooted in the manufacturing sector, sound fiscal and tax policy, and an energy policy that shifts to a green economy via the use (85% or more) of zero emission clean alternative energy.

It took 8 years to get us into this mess. It will take at least 4, and probably more, to get us out. We are 1 year into it. So far, I'd say we're doing pretty good despite all of Mitch McConnell and John Boehner's partisan obstructionism. Just imagine how quickly the country could advance if the Republicans looked at the President as a fellow American trying to do good for the People rather than a political opponent of a different skin color.(quote)


My dad was right....You just cant fix stupid no matter how hard you try folks! Stop trying.....

 

[FlickerFade]

More bills have passed under her tenure than any other speaker in history. Like it or not she is a leader that gets her done.

the house can pass anything! their rules give no rights to the minority. With the majority the dem's have, I'd be shocked if they didn't pass anything.

Now, do those same bills get passed by the Senate? Not so much. Pelosi is so left of main stream America, it's pretty funny actually.

And she's just as strident as the far left lefties who post here.

 

[FlickerFade]

Flicker...you can say what you will about Pelosi, but she IS the speaker of the house. Do you not like her because she is a female? Because she is a liberal? Or because she is from SFO? If she loses her seat in the next election, then someone else from the House Majority will take her place...no big deal. By the way, there is nothing wrong with being a liberal. I'd rather stand next to one of them any day of the week rather than some right wing neo-con nut job. Most liberals that you may meet in your life are good people who care more about helping others, righting injustices, and protecting the environment so as to live in a better world, as opposed to the neo-cons who espouse hate, divisiveness, religious exclusivity, and all non-factual incendiary nonsense spewed forth by the likes of Fox News.
.........

She's not going to lose her seat Oliver Wendell Holmes! She will lose her speakership when she is no longer in the majority........... or will be voted out once the dem's see how close she came to driving the dem's off the proverbial cliff.

You're part of the 20% in the radical left in this country.

Can you just wear a button so we know to just ignore you?

But when is comes to being part of ALPA? You're as bipartisan as your political party............... NOT AT ALL.

 

[Smarta$$]

It's you're, not your. Your scab comment is typical of someone making a knee jerk comment w/o looking at the whole picture. Like it or not, the NLRB is supposed to be NEUTRAL. This dude is not even close to being neutral. There is no room for someone this radical on the board, unless you want to unfairly slant potential decisions w/o regard for others. The unions have way to much influence with this administration as it is. No need to worry though, your boy obama is planning on appointing this fella' during recess.

Was the last NLRB appointee neutral?

Was the last head of the NMB neutral?

One of them was a former NWA lobbyist. I guess you guys only expect them to be neutral when they are not hard right, pro business.

 

[Smarta$$]

She's not going to lose her seat Oliver Wendell Holmes! She will lose her speakership when she is no longer in the majority........... or will be voted out once the dem's see how close she came to driving the dem's off the proverbial cliff.

You're part of the 20% in the radical left in this country.

Can you just wear a button so we know to just ignore you?

But when is comes to being part of ALPA? You're as bipartisan as your political party............... NOT AT ALL.

How bipartisan is your political party?

 

[maru657]

Obama could easily resolve this with recess appointments and other proceedures used by the prior administration. Just as Babbitt could have made a differance.

 

[DonVerita]

Obama could easily resolve this with recess appointments and other proceedures used by the prior administration. Just as Babbitt could have made a differance.

Exactly. And that will be the next step.

Why he waited so long to try and educate the closed-minded, ill-informed haters and fear mongorers in the Republican Party is beyond me. He is going to drop the hammer and that will be Strike 3 for you Bigoober.

So many things could have been accomplished now if it were not for the Republicans record breaking amount of filibusters. Since when does 59 = 41? Look for the Senate to do away with the filibuster just like the House did. Then we'll be back to a simple majority, up and down vote like a true democracy should be.

 

[dragontamer]

Hey Don,

In your list of horrible things that conservatives are you left out "racist" (although that was in your previous post). Just keeping the list complete. I love it when the "open minded" diversity folks" start ranting at anyone who does not share their "collective vision."