Sen. Ben Nelson (d) of Nebraska Blocks important nomination.

[pilot772]

Agreed.

Our Constitution is a fabulous document. Too bad it has been amended so much that it's barely a shell of its former self.

We desperately need term limits, Tort reform, and a whole laundry list of other items. Among those is a more labor-friendly NLRB. While we certainly don't need to go overboard, a middle-ground would be nice.

Of course, as mentioned above, a middle ground in the House AND Senate for the good of the American People is how the system was designed to work. The system hasn't worked properly in a long time. The lobbying machine is entirely too entrenched for anything even remotely approaching bipartisanship to be successful.

Agree Whole-heartily Lear

 

[Bigoober]

And this is intended for you too 772...

Both of you appear to belong to a Republican Party

Strike Two!

Care to go for the strike out?

I'm was just waiting to see your explanation of how the work of Congress has been ruined over the last 12 months by Republican filibusters as quoted in my original post. Just looking for you to man up and admit you didn't really know what you were talking about and now realize that health care reform didn't pass because Democrats couldn't come to an agreement within their own party. Last I looked, there was nothing in the way to stop this work except for the egos of both houses.

Again, loss of credibility- even moreso when you can't admit the simple fact.

 

[DonVerita]

typical liberal: when your facts are debunked you turn to name calling, talking points, blame it on Bush, and scare tactics.
:beer:

Man...go back and read your own full post. You are agreeing with me on a number of items. My facts are intact.

Look at each thing I listed. Are you "debunking" any of them? If not, care to try?

Our economy was headed over Niagra Falls with no life jacket. The banking system was about to go with it, or you could say, was the cause of it, but we know it to be deeper than that. Unchecked greed, total lack of regulation in the housing lending market, 8 years of out of control spending by Bush & Co.
Iraq war: Not paid for
Tax cuts: Not paid for
Patriot Act: Completely unconstitutional

What ever happened to Pay As You Go? Oh, I almost forgot, the Repubs. voted to get rid of that.

So in comes Obama. He inherits a king sized mess on Day 1. A mess that took 8 years to create. He immediately goes about putting programs in motion to pull us back from the brink of disaster - the 2nd Great Depression. Job losses begin to lessen, the banking industry is put back together, the world markets regain confidence in the U.S., the stock market rebounds. A pretty good list of accomplishments by anyone's standards; and all in 1 year. Yet despite all of this, radical ill-informed and I believe bottom line racists, dance around their false prophet (Glen Beck) and rail against the President for spending money to save us from disaster, accusing him of being a Socialist (nevermind that all his programs are working), and another right wing wack job group - The Birthers, have the audacity to challenge his citizenship.

Now we have 41 Senators who are oh so happy to go before their constituents back home and accept Federal Stimulus Program money for their home states and declare how so many of these projects wouldn't be possible without that program, while at the same time blasting the President for the Stimulus program and saying how the program is a waste of money and doesn't work. Hypocrisy defined.

These 41 need to stop holding up the progress that the President is making to lift us out of this deep recession. Just about every program he proposes to help the People do just that, is met by obstructionism out of pure spite. He holds his hand out in bi-partisanship, they slap it away.

So if you want to falsely accuse me of "name calling, talking points, blame it on Bush, and scare tactics", then I guess my response is:

I learned it from the best in the business --> Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, and the entire corporate controlled Republican mouthpiece --> Fox News - Unfair & Unbalanced

 

[ackattacker]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filibuster

It is now time to retire for the evening gentlemen. I bid all my fellow FI friends a good night.

:beer:

Oh, I see, the filibuster is a byproduct of the evolution of senate procedural rules which are not spelled out in the constitution at all.

And a simple majority vote of the senate will change the senate rules, much the same way that the filibuster was eliminated in the House in 1842.

Interesting.

 

[DonVerita]

Strike Two!

Care to go for the strike out?

I'm was just waiting to see your explanation of how the work of Congress has been ruined over the last 12 months by Republican filibusters as quoted in my original post. Just looking for you to man up and admit you didn't really know what you were talking about and now realize that health care reform didn't pass because Democrats couldn't come to an agreement within their own party. Last I looked, there was nothing in the way to stop this work except for the egos of both houses.

Again, loss of credibility- even moreso when you can't admit the simple fact.

Hmmm...let's see about that.

1. Health Care Reform passed the House, with a public option intact. Try to talk your way out of that one Sparky.

2. Lieberman is an Independent, but claims to caucus with the Democrats, even while he was on the campaign trail for McCain, so I think it's safe to say he's not in that camp. So there goes your super-majority.

3. The Senate had a watered down but still doable version of Health Care Reform that had enough votes to pass, even after Lieberman's suckup to Big Insurance in his home state of CT, where...guess what - The Hartford Insurance Co. is based.

4. Harry Reid could have brought this to a floor vote even before Brown was sworn in, but wisely chose not to because it would have looked like a strong arm move.

So, you were saying...

As for the filibusters, go back into the record and check for yourself the number of filibusters that have been used by the Republicans in 2009.
Note to yourself: You don't need to have 41 Repubs to do a filibuster. 40 +1 so-called Independent from CT will work just fine, or maybe 1 Dem whose name appears in the title of this thread.

 

[sweptback]

What does the NLRB have to do with pilots?

Not a single thing.

 

[pilot772]

Man...go back and read your own full post. You are agreeing with me on a number of items. My facts are intact.

Look at each thing I listed. Are you "debunking" any of them? If not, care to try?

Our economy was headed over Niagra Falls with no life jacket. The banking system was about to go with it, or you could say, was the cause of it, but we know it to be deeper than that. Unchecked greed, total lack of regulation in the housing lending market, 8 years of out of control spending by Bush & Co.
Iraq war: Not paid for
Tax cuts: Not paid for
Patriot Act: Completely unconstitutional

What ever happened to Pay As You Go? Oh, I almost forgot, the Repubs. voted to get rid of that.

So in comes Obama. He inherits a king sized mess on Day 1. A mess that took 8 years to create. He immediately goes about putting programs in motion to pull us back from the brink of disaster - the 2nd Great Depression. Job losses begin to lessen, the banking industry is put back together, the world markets regain confidence in the U.S., the stock market rebounds. A pretty good list of accomplishments by anyone's standards; and all in 1 year. Yet despite all of this, radical ill-informed and I believe bottom line racists, dance around their false prophet (Glen Beck) and rail against the President for spending money to save us from disaster, accusing him of being a Socialist (nevermind that all his programs are working), and another right wing wack job group - The Birthers, have the audacity to challenge his citizenship.

Now we have 41 Senators who are oh so happy to go before their constituents back home and accept Federal Stimulus Program money for their home states and declare how so many of these projects wouldn't be possible without that program, while at the same time blasting the President for the Stimulus program and saying how the program is a waste of money and doesn't work. Hypocrisy defined.

These 41 need to stop holding up the progress that the President is making to lift us out of this deep recession. Just about every program he proposes to help the People do just that, is met by obstructionism out of pure spite. He holds his hand out in bi-partisanship, they slap it away.

So if you want to falsely accuse me of "name calling, talking points, blame it on Bush, and scare tactics", then I guess my response is:

I learned it from the best in the business --> Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, and the entire corporate controlled Republican mouthpiece --> Fox News - Unfair & Unbalanced

wow falsely accuse really? "little brats", "make up more lies", "stop acting like a bunch of little 5 yr. olds", "their Cheney/Halliburton no-bid contracts?" These quotes were taken from your last post. The fact that you bring up the birthers is laughable and quite honestly sad. Do you really think that if people believed that President Obama wasn't born here that the Clinton Political machine wouldn't have figured that out? Birthers are about as fringe as the people that believe that Bush was behind 9-11, Is that what you believe?

The only facts that I challenged you on were the notion that Filibuster was some new tactic that only the republicans were the ones that used it. Furthermore you made it sound as if these filibusters were taking place in the current congress. I will admit the republicans have the record of Filibusters. But thats like saying that Mark McGwire broke the home run record and Barry Bonds than beat it a few years later.

Don you are correct we do believe in some of the same things. I am a fiscal conservative socially liberal. you and I aren't that far off politically for the most part. There are just a few issues that divide us. I am almost embarrassed to admit this in this thread but I live in Omaha. I have voted for Ben Nelson every chance I get because I appreciate his middle of the road point of view. I am surprised you posted in a thread calling him out because he was the 60th vote for healthcare reform. I have met him on several occasions and had some nice conversations with the man. He Is a middle of the road politicians, but he has a lot of work to do to earn my vote again.

Don if you ever make to OMA for an overnight send me a PM. I will buy you a beer I would bet we would get along better than you think.

 

[Lear70]

The only problem with that, Don, is that the exorbitant amount of spending included so much fat that didn't need to be in there, that it pi$$ed a lot of people off. Mainly those who know how long it's going to take us to pay for it.

Did it head off disaster? Maybe, I'm not an economist. I do know, however, that unless we take steps to reign in spending over the next decade or two, we're going to have a heck of a debt problem, even more so than now...

 

[pilot772]

Hmmm...let's see about that.

1. Health Care Reform passed the House, with a public option intact. Try to talk your way out of that one Sparky.

2. Lieberman is an Independent, but claims to caucus with the Democrats, even while he was on the campaign trail for McCain, so I think it's safe to say he's not in that camp. So there goes your super-majority.

3. The Senate had a watered down but still doable version of Health Care Reform that had enough votes to pass, even after Lieberman's suckup to Big Insurance in his home state of CT, where...guess what - The Hartford Insurance Co. is based.

4. Harry Reid could have brought this to a floor vote even before Brown was sworn in, but wisely chose not to because it would have looked like a strong arm move.

So, you were saying...

As for the filibusters, go back into the record and check for yourself the number of filibusters that have been used by the Republicans in 2009.
Note to yourself: You don't need to have 41 Repubs to do a filibuster. 40 +1 so-called Independent from CT will work just fine, or maybe 1 Dem whose name appears in the title of this thread.

Again I hate to call you out because I believe you mean well. But you do realize that the healthcare package did in fact pass the senate with all 60 Democrats voting for the measure. (Lieberman included) Say what you will about Lieberman but he does caucus with the democrats and votes with them a majority of the time. As far as Nelson I believe we have crossed that bridge already this evening.

 

[swa737-700]

Love it another "Pilot against pilots" - Your a Scab in waiting.

It's you're, not your. Your scab comment is typical of someone making a knee jerk comment w/o looking at the whole picture. Like it or not, the NLRB is supposed to be NEUTRAL. This dude is not even close to being neutral. There is no room for someone this radical on the board, unless you want to unfairly slant potential decisions w/o regard for others. The unions have way to much influence with this administration as it is. No need to worry though, your boy obama is planning on appointing this fella' during recess.