Selling ourselves short

[General Lee]

I hope so you putz! But, every time there was a line, whether in bk or not, y'all allowed bigger planes for more money. RA knows that's all he has to do to get ya to erase that imaginary line Jenny, but I'll hold you to it not to allow any more big planes at the Regionals. Regardless of your spouting your crap on here, most of us are hoping to leave soon for better places soon, hopefully the majors. Can I get a rec from ya putz?

You Putz!

Incorrect. The 76 seaters came during the BK, with Judge oversight. Since then, there has been the Joint Contract with the FNWA pilots, and then the recent 3 year contract. Neither of those two had larger planes given. Wrong. There were 70 additional 76 seaters allowed, but that was inexchange for ensuring 215 50 seaters would be parked (leaving 125 total 50 seaters), and 88 717s had to be on the property. The 70 additional 76 seaters were tied to the 717s arriving. That was a great deal! Fewer 50 seaters and RJs total, tied to mainline getting 717s that would cover 70/76 seaters, that were covering outgoing 50 seaters. And a year from now the 12th year Capt rate on the 717 (currently junior Capt has more than 12 years) will be $195 an hour, on the smallest plane mainline will have. Not bad Putz! When is your Vietnam Airlines ATR-72 FO interview anyway?


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Incorrect. The 76 seaters came during the BK, with Judge oversight. Since then, there has been the Joint Contract with the FNWA pilots, and then the recent 3 year contract. Neither of those two had larger planes given. Wrong. There were 70 additional 76 seaters allowed, but that was inexchange for ensuring 215 50 seaters would be parked (leaving 125 total 50 seaters), and 88 717s had to be on the property. The 70 additional 76 seaters were tied to the 717s arriving. That was a great deal! Fewer 50 seaters and RJs total, tied to mainline getting 717s that would cover 70/76 seaters, that were covering outgoing 50 seaters. And a year from now the 12th year Capt rate on the 717 (currently junior Capt has more than 12 years) will be $195 an hour, on the smallest plane mainline will have. Not bad Putz! When is your Vietnam Airlines ATR-72 FO interview anyway?


Bye Bye---General Lee

No response blubber boy? If you are real nice, I bet Uncle Steve will take you to work and let you watch while he cleans the plane at the end of the day...

 

[JustaNumber]

It says it on the side of the plane, right? It says it on your ticket, "operated by..." If they don't choose to investigate, then it's the pax fault.

The plane looks like a Delta plane, and my company's name is now in microscopic 12pt type. I can barely read it during a walk-around--trust me, no pax can read it. The "operated by" on the ticket is also much smaller than the DELTA and is not intended to be focused on.

Trust me, if the passengers had any idea they were flying on a bottom-feeder airline that employed street captains with two DUIs and five check-ride busts, sitting next to some foreigner FO with zero experience who couldn't get hired at even a respectable regional, most would cancel their reservation.

But most pax buy into the illusion that they're sold and assume that "Connection" just means the smaller planes that Delta owns and operates.

 

[pipi]

The plane looks like a Delta plane, and my company's name is now in microscopic 12pt type. I can barely read it during a walk-around--trust me, no pax can read it. The "operated by" on the ticket is also much smaller than the DELTA and is not intended to be focused on.

Trust me, if the passengers had any idea they were flying on a bottom-feeder airline that employed street captains with two DUIs and five check-ride busts, sitting next to some foreigner FO with zero experience who couldn't get hired at even a respectable regional, most would cancel their reservation.

But most pax buy into the illusion that they're sold and assume that "Connection" just means the smaller planes that Delta owns and operates.

Foreigner FO with no experience??? I have never flown with one of those. However, I have flown with lots of US born and raised ERAU rich boys with 250 hours and no experience...not possible anymore due to new regs...but I have flown with lots of them in the past ten years...
Oh...and unfortunately 99.99 percent of passengers don't care who is up front. All they care about is how much they pay for a ticket.

 

[E120ASA]

Ask Jenni how are the 717 doing? In VPS an PFN they are always in MX and fly out with 60 open seats. I guess that's making money, if not why do they keep sending the 7O in as backup. I got rerouted 3 times in a 4 day (this weekend) to cover them. Great airplane 717 seem not to be...

 

[JustaNumber]

Oh...and unfortunately 99.99 percent of passengers don't care who is up front. All they care about is how much they pay for a ticket.

Exactly, but it's only because they assume safety is a given, because they assume they are flying on Delta airlines. If they were actually given the information to be able to choose between a flight flown with a very low experienced crew at a bottom-feeder, or a more experienced crew at a more respectable airline, I believe the passengers would care about more than price.

If you were a paying passenger, would you have paid a little extra to fly on an airline other than Colgan or ValueJet? The answer to that is so obvious that those airline names no longer exist, proving that reputation does matter if the public is given a little information.

 

[Freebrd]

ASA no longer exists either. Just saying.

 

[Mercyful Fate]

Ask Jenni how are the 717 doing? In VPS an PFN they are always in MX and fly out with 60 open seats. I guess that's making money, if not why do they keep sending the 7O in as backup. I got rerouted 3 times in a 4 day (this weekend) to cover them. Great airplane 717 seem not to be...

But, but, they are getting 88 of them!

 

[JustaNumber]

ASA no longer exists either. Just saying.

Yeah, we (mgmt) had pretty much trashed ASA's reputation as well. I know my decision on that vote included which name had the better reputation!