Self-loathing from ASA pilots

[SuperKooter]

I've noticed their is lots of "hate" coming from those ASA pilots. I don't know if its the fact that they fly for an airline where the pax have to walk outside and hunt for their airplane or the fact that some of them know they will be F/O longer than at eagle on the ATR. But I think it has to do with the fact that they know in their heart that what ALPA is asking for is just foolish and they don't want to admit that maybe just maybe managment has a point to try and lower the wages and try and undercut airlines like comair and chq for some more flying. I've made the observation before, who is more foolish someone who went to mesa in 2000 and who has since upgraded, got his pic and is now at CAL or someone who got hired in 2000 and is still an f/0, and who will just now be able to hold captain on the (puke!) ATR.

The problem I see with the whole "Improve the QOL and Pay" that people whine for is that it only serves to hold people at ASA who SHOULDN'T be at asa and making it thier career airline. ASA is a "Dues Paying Airline" a place where you go just to get above the 1000 hour mark get your atp and some pic and then go to a career airline. The problem at ASA is you have captains on the CRJ-700 who have been there since the 80's! These people should have left 10+ years ago but have just stayed there. Now that the company wants to bring wages to what they should be for a such a small and simple airplane they are going crazy (Keep in mind the crj-200 and 700 are a common type). They know they will be screwed because they made the BAD choice of staying at a commuter airline reserved for the "Freight Dawgs" and other Newbies to make an entry in this profession.

I know I'd rather be an F/0 at Usair than a captain at ASA and anyone with a brain would dp the same thing. Heck i'd rather be a gate agent at valujet aka airtran than be a captain at ASA on one of their unsafe ATRs.

 

[79%N1]

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Huh, what did you say????????? Nobody cares, Chief!

 

[arthompson]

Are you saying the ATR is unsafe or just ASA's ATR's?

 

[rtmcfi]

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Huh? What's that you say?

 

[atrdriver]

I know I'd rather be an F/0 at Usair than a captain at ASA and anyone with a brain would dp the same thing. Heck i'd rather be a gate agent at valujet aka airtran than be a captain at ASA on one of their unsafe ATRs.

Regardless of ANYTHING else that you said in that idiotic post, if you really think that the ATR is unsafe you are truely a moron. The ATR has a better dispatch rate than either the 50 or the 70 seat RJ idiot. It's an awesome airplane, and if you didn't have an inferiority complex about having not having a prop on the wing you might realize that. Try knowing something before you open your mouth and show people how stupid you are.

 

[BuzzSaw]

what?? blah blah blah.

Buzz Saw

 

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[ASAMCN]

Grammer and ASA Haters

I've noticed their is lots of "hate" coming from those ASA pilots. I don't know if its the fact that they fly for an airline where the pax have to walk outside and hunt for their airplane or the fact that some of them know they will be F/O longer than at eagle on the ATR. But I think it has to do with the fact that they know in their heart that what ALPA is asking for is just foolish and they don't want to admit that maybe just maybe managment has a point to try and lower the wages and try and undercut airlines like comair and chq for some more flying. I've made the observation before, who is more foolish someone who went to mesa in 2000 and who has since upgraded, got his pic and is now at CAL or someone who got hired in 2000 and is still an f/0, and who will just now be able to hold captain on the (puke!) ATR.

The problem I see with the whole "Improve the QOL and Pay" that people whine for is that it only serves to hold people at ASA who SHOULDN'T be at asa and making it thier career airline. ASA is a "Dues Paying Airline" a place where you go just to get above the 1000 hour mark get your atp and some pic and then go to a career airline. The problem at ASA is you have captains on the CRJ-700 who have been there since the 80's! These people should have left 10+ years ago but have just stayed there. Now that the company wants to bring wages to what they should be for a such a small and simple airplane they are going crazy (Keep in mind the crj-200 and 700 are a common type). They know they will be screwed because they made the BAD choice of staying at a commuter airline reserved for the "Freight Dawgs" and other Newbies to make an entry in this profession.

I know I'd rather be an F/0 at Usair than a captain at ASA and anyone with a brain would dp the same thing. Heck i'd rather be a gate agent at valujet aka airtran than be a captain at ASA on one of their unsafe ATRs.

Their is when something belongs to a person, There would be the correct choice when refering to a place of employment. I guess your opinion is not
as well thought out as it APPEARS, you sound regretful concerning your career?

 

[ASADFW7]

Superman is on my ignore list, however I had the pleasure of reading the quote of under cutting other companies.

So you walk into a bar, and see your buddy and his beautiful wife, when he is in the can draining the reservoir, do you under cut him as well and try to steal her away from him, he is only a buddy, not your brother, but are all buddies our brothers?

So are you oging after what someone else has, and trying to steal that away, or are you confident in your own abilities to attrack a good partner?

You see, character, and principles stand for something where I come from. You do not cut someone else's grass period!

 

[John Pennekamp]

I thought Superpooter was an ASA pilot? Guess that was a lie too?

I used to fly ATRs. It's a lot safer than a Barbie Jet... uh, sorry, CRJ-200. Very simple, lots of computer glitches but few major catastrophies. Go tell that to all of the smoke in the cockpit incidents on the -200... what, 6 in 6 months?

Whatever. Superpooter is a troll, plain and simple. Keep ignoring him and he'll go away.

 

[shamrock]

Superman is on my ignore list, however I had the pleasure of reading the quote of under cutting other companies.

Well he's on my ignore list as well, just so I don't have to read his garbage. In that spirit, could everyone do me favor and STOP QUOTING HIM!

 

[Aerosurfer]

In my Best Peter Griffin Voice: "The ATR is the great plane anyone has ever flown, EVER! Lois, ummm whats an ATR?"

 

[SilverandSore]

I've noticed their is lots of "hate" coming from those ASA pilots. blah blah ATRs

I've noticed there isn't much "intelligence" in your posts. Seriously. You write on about the 3rd grade level (USA Today is written on the 5th grade level and you're below that). I'd put you on the ignore list, but I actually enjoy reading your posts and debating whether you are a complete idiot, or just a poser trying to act like an idiot. The jury is still out.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

The total regional pilots that fly for Delta, all DCI etc. is almost the same as the total Delta pilots seniority list. Last I looked all of the Delta pilots are not leaving any time soon. When are people going to realize that for a lot of people the regionals are going to be a final place to work. The regionals are no longer a stepping stone. They are a career for some. Undercutting ruins this career at all levels.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

:bawling: :bawling: :bawling: :bawling: :bawling:

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[atrdriver]

The total regional pilots that fly for Delta, all DCI etc. is almost the same as the total Delta pilots seniority list. Last I looked all of the Delta pilots are not leaving any time soon. When are people going to realize that for a lot of people the regionals are going to be a final place to work. The regionals are no longer a stepping stone. They are a career for some. Undercutting ruins this career at all levels.

Not for idiots like kooter. He knows the secret handshake and super secret hand signals, so he can get hired as a 777 Captain the day he hits 1000 PIC. He won't even have to mess around with being an FO with all that secret knowledge.

 

[embdrvr]

ASA is a "Dues Paying Airline" a place where you go just to get above the 1000 hour mark get your atp and some pic and then go to a career airline.

I know I'd rather be an F/0 at Usair than a captain at ASA and anyone with a brain would dp the same thing. Heck i'd rather be a gate agent at valujet aka airtran than be a captain at ASA on one of their unsafe ATRs.

Please choose one of the following responses:

A) Superkooter is just plain dumb
B) Answer A is insulting to dumb people
C) Superkooter is total moron spewing drivel
D) Answer C is insulting to drivel spewing morons

SkooterTrash,

You math illiterate or what? Any idea of the ratio of experienced captains to job openings at those "career" airlines. It's not that easy. We've all seen guys get turned down by the majors that were exceptionally well qualified nice people. The reality is a lot more people get interviewed than there are slots. Southwest only hires about 30% and some interviews noone gets hired.

A lot of those F/O's are USAir are still on furlough. I think the furloughs go back to DOH somewhere during the 1980's. There an old saying about it's better to keep your mouth shut and let people just think you're an idiot than to open your mouth and confirm it. Sure would be nice to see if you had the cajones to talk the way you do in a crew lounge. You'd get your as.s handed to you. Dipsh1t.

 

[D'Angelo]

ASA guys are the only ones with a plight! They are the only ones that want a raise and think they deserve a large one. Well they want you to think that. Get in line fools theres lots of people who want a raise but don't get one. Life isn't fair. MOVE ON

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Look who's back, Duh Angelo, the skidmark in the underpants of the airline industry.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Dangelo,

Pilot salary does not make or break an airlines competativeness. And I bet an arguement could be said that a happy pilot group saves more money by working smarter than any paycut will ever benefit.

How is it going at Comair? You voted pay cuts for growth and where has that got ya. Praying that the flight attendants keep up a good fight so you don't actually have to take the pay cut AND not get any more flying?

 

[D'Angelo]

Dangelo,

Pilot salary does not make or break an airlines competativeness. And I bet an arguement could be said that a happy pilot group saves more money by working smarter than any paycut will ever benefit.

How is it going at Comair? You voted pay cuts for growth and where has that got ya. Praying that the flight attendants keep up a good fight so you don't actually have to take the pay cut AND not get any more flying?

That simply is not true. Pilot cuts at delta saves well over $1 billion a year. It most certainly can be the final deciding factor. Labor is always the largest cost sans fuel of the airline buisness. At comair the F/As will be dealt with soon enough. The paycuts will be alive and well. Until the F/As are dealt with we won't know how it goes. Once they get their paycut everyones will kick in then the real fun begins. We will be a lean mean fightin machine ready to take whatever flyings out there. That was the problem pre 9/11. Pilots were always saying just a little more won't hurt. You can pay us just a bit more. The contracts kept growing at an alarming rate and things started spiraling out of control. "Little things" such as pilot salary do make a difference. Every little thing adds up.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Yea, every thing adds up to you not making a liveable wage. Why supplement managements bonus. You are either a managment Neal or a complete idiot. Comair would have done the same thing if you would not have voted to give up hard earned money. You are a fool if you think otherwise. The airplane lease is another more expensive cost. Pilot pay is just the easiest thing to go after with clowns like you leading the parade.

 

[bailout]

ASA is a "Dues Paying Airline"

This is where you are SO VERY WRONG... i agree, that used to be the case, but not anymore. Sure alot of people have used it as that, and will use it as that, but in todays market, the majority will not. Like it or not, we are being forced to make it a career airline. Managment (you) NEEDS to understand that.

 

[HoserASA]

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I know I'd rather be an F/0 at Usair than a captain at ASA and anyone with a brain would dp the same thing. Heck i'd rather be a gate agent at valujet aka airtran than be a captain at ASA on one of their unsafe ATRs.

So leave ASA and go apply.

Hoser
Career Pilot At ASA

 

[Flip Conroy]

D'Angelo and SuperKooter are the same person. Different username... but same person.

 

[atlcrashpad]

D'Angelo and SuperKooter are the same person. Different username... but same person.

Still a Putz no matter what screen name he uses.

 

[D'Angelo]

D'Angelo and SuperKooter are the same person. Different username... but same person.

Hardly, we are two different people with a common goal. Seeing this Union drama crap come to an end is the highest priority. Unions are ruining the airline industry bit by bit. Us and others like us will no longer be intimidated by union thugs. Our voices will be heard and this industry will have to change. If unions don't adapt and find new ways to do things this industry will be a pile of rubble brought on by out of control greedy unions.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

skidmark!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Secret Squirrel]

D'Kooter

Well then let this segment of the industry circle the drain. If companies can not make money paying professional pilots a descent wage, then they either have to raise fares/rates or go out of business. I am sick and tired of this profession taking it in the a$$ because of sellouts like you .

 

[D'Angelo]

D'Kooter

Well then let this segment of the industry circle the drain. If companies can not make money paying professional pilots a descent wage, then they either have to raise fares/rates or go out of business. I am sick and tired of this profession taking it in the a$$ because of sellouts like you .

Taking it in the a$$? Puhlease now your just being a drama queen. This is what those at ALPO like to call "pattern bargaining". When times were good they were all too happy to hold companies hostage. Now that times are bad its managements turn to hold ALPO hostage. That creates what I like to call a balance. What goes around comes around right? Why should I hit the unemployment line just so you can continue to make ridiculous wages? If me and the majority decide that the paycut is enough for us to still live a decent life on then thats our right. We don't owe anybody else anything. What is happening now is unions are being forced to bargain in good faith instead of demanding outrageous things. Its good now we can finally have contracts in the middle that way we can save money in the good times and weather the bad times. Sorry im not sacrificing my career just so someone else can benefit from it and not even be grateful for it.