Segrave Aviation, yep the worst

[Bullitt]

I was one of the original LR60 drivers to come to SAI and whoever on here mentioned to beware when recurrent came due is correct ... I just got a phone call today ... 'effective immediately, your service are no longer required' He says I cost them too much in maintenance cost; and I was scheduled to go to recurrent this week but it got pushed back til next ....welllll looks like I won't be going ...... what timing

Damn what timing is right! Hate hearing about stuff like this. Good luck in the future.

 

[Cloud Hunter]

I was one of the original LR60 drivers to come to SAI and whoever on here mentioned to beware when recurrent came due is correct ... I just got a phone call today ... 'effective immediately, your service are no longer required' He says I cost them too much in maintenance cost; and I was scheduled to go to recurrent this week but it got pushed back til next ....welllll looks like I won't be going ...... what timing

Sincerely sorry to hear that.

Sarcastically:
But Todd will be through initial for the Lear soon and he'll need a spot. Thanks for your sacrifice.

 

[cscflystraight]

CH:
yeah, want to make sure the money spent for his intial pays off; maybe he'll be ok flying with pressure leaks and inaccurate fuel qty. Just NOT for me; don't need the 'cowboy syndrome' that they need at SAI... guess I'll be filing for unemployment tomorrow. If you hear of anything, gimme a shout.
oh, and DJ at SA, thanks for the kitchen knife ...

 

[cscflystraight]

Heard segrave has inquired which pilots have their A&P; break out the wrenches boys, you're gonna do double duty. Guess they're going to try and work the 'grey area' again and have the pilot/A&P do data loading and tire pressure checks...

 

[johnsonrod]

Sorry to hear about the job losses. Were the Hawker 1000s in good shape? I recall hearing one guy on the radio complain about his FMS and other hardware. They looked like solid airplanes in general but they are getting pretty old...

 

[OnTheRocks]

Second, I admit comparing pilots to lawyers and doctors was a bad move. Pilots are no where near as educated or trained as lawyers and doctors. Let's face it...we are just a bunch of trained monkeys. It is not that hard to fly a plane. Most pilots I've met are retards.[/QUOTE]


nice attitude...i heard the D.O. needed his car washed

 

[minitour]

Were the Hawker 1000s in good shape?

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

-mini

 

[cscflystraight]

from another forum ... starts in mid conversation ...
... a little while later I called Nelson massey back and he said they actually ended up getting the 800A but some of their former 1000 guys offered to pay for initial in the 800A, and they were going to call them back instead of hiring me.
He then told me a story about how he was looking to hire in the Lear but he couldn't find anyone who was current. So he calls up someone who is typed but not current and says he will hire him if he's willing to pay for a portion of training. The guy agrees. So then Nelson calls someone else up who is also typed but not current and tells him that someone else offered to pay for x amount of his training and that if he will pay more he would get the job. Nelson told me he had these 2 guys in a bidding war. Not only does he see nothing wrong with this but he's telling me this like it's no big deal.
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... the CP at my old company flying hawkers used to fly with nelson massey and told a few stories. Pretty much to the effect of stay far away. Sounds like not much has changed with him.

 

[StarHustler]

Can you say, "Scumbag"?

 

[minitour]

Can you say, "Scumbag"?

That's actually being quite polite.

-mini

 

[FL410guy]

I have a lot of friends at Seagraves. One was hired with only 3 month left on his currency in the LR60. Fortunately they've sent him to recurrent. It sucks that Nelson is a pilot himself and truly is an evil man to abuse the system. We are talking about families lives here to save a buck. Maybe this is the only way they can stay in business. I hear they undercut ever charter op out there to get trips. Sadly the firing of crews to dodge training cost must make up the difference.

 

[minitour]

Look for some drastic (IMO) changes within the next month.

-mini

 

[AIRBORNEAVENGER]

Such as??

 

[minitour]

We've been told our plane will stay on Segrave's certificate, but that Segrave is being acquired by another company, which has been mentioned in the thread.

Should be soon, based on what we were told.

-mini

 

[johnsonrod]

Are they still operating the Hawker 1000s? I think I heard one flying up toward TEB today.

What's the status of the operation? How many aircraft and types still flying? As I recall it sounded like the operation was in the process of shutting down or drastically reducing flying - I guess I misunderstood if they are still flying the Hawkers...

 

[frank1969]

All of their 1000s were repossessed a while ago. They do have a few 800s. If you or anyone else is thinking about flying for them, consider what happenned to me first. I interviewed with Nelson (their DO) a while back and was offered a job flying their 800A. He wanted me to start right away but I insisted on giving my current employer a 2 weeks notice. Even though I was only employed as a contract pilot with my employer they were nice enough to pay for my recurrent so I felt that walking away without notice just wasn't right. So Nelson said ok in an email and gave me a start date 2 weeks later. I gave my current employer the notice and then a week later Nelson sends me an email saying that the 800A they thought they were getting wasn't coming and my job offer was "on hold". I called my current employer to ask that my notice be disregarded but they had already hired someone and he was already in school. A little while later I'm talking to Nelson and he says they actually ended up getting the 800A after all, but some of the 1000 guys who had been laid off offered to pay for their training in the 800A, and the company felt that the right thing to do would be to call them back first. Thinking about it now, actually what happened was at that time, my .297 had 3 months left and my .293 had 9 months left, so by bringing back someone (the former 1000 pilots) with a fresh type, the company gets a full 12 months out of them vs. my 9 months. I've heard from numerous people that they do this sort of thing. As the conversation progressed, he starts telling me this story about how he was looking to hire in the Lear but he couldn't find anyone who was current. So he calls up someone who is typed but not current and tells him he will hire him if he's willing to pay for a portion of training. The guy agrees. So then he calls up someone else who is also typed but not current and tells him that someone else offered to pay for x amount of the training and that if he would pay more he could have the job. Nelson told me he had these 2 guys in a bidding war. Not only does he see nothing wrong with this but he's telling me this like it's no big deal.
I knew this outfit was bad news but I took him up on the job offer because I needed a full time job, especially with my unemployment about to run out. I figured I'd tough it out until my .293 expired this summer and then hopefully by then I would have another job somewhere else. Fortunately the outfit where I'm a contract pilot is still using me as a backup pilot but the flying is even more sparse than before this happened.

 

[StarHustler]

As I recall it sounded like the operation was in the process of shutting down or drastically reducing flying

And it could not happen to a more deserving outfit....

 

[BayBum37ft]

Its a done deal, Segrave and Delta Elite.

 

[wildcard]

yeah, but what does that really mean!? Be interesting to see what happens these next few weeks!

 

[starcheckdriver]

Its a done deal, Segrave and Delta Elite.

Really? If it were a done deal, it would have been made public per SEC regulations. An acquistion may very well be in the works, but it is certainly not a done deal yet. Once confirmed, we should see something hit the Internet via a press release from Delta Airlines.

 

[BayBum37ft]

Delta Air Elite is owned by Comair.

 

[starcheckdriver]

Delta Air Elite is owned by Comair.

Really? Delta AirElite's website must have wrong info then. Here is what their Company Fact Sheet states:

Delta AirElite Business Jets is a wholly owned subsidiary of Delta Air Lines, the world's largest airline. With 25 years’ experience serving business aviation travelers, it is the only business jet charter and aircraft management company owned by a major U.S. airline.

 

[AIRBORNEAVENGER]

Pardon my ignorance, but under what call sign has Segrave and Pegasus operated with ATC?

 

[AIRBORNEAVENGER]

Based on what I have read, Delta AirElite was formerly known as Comair Jet Express. When Delta acquired Comair they also acquired the 135 operation and re-branded it as Delta AirElite.

 

[starcheckdriver]

Pardon my ignorance, but under what call sign has Segrave and Pegasus operated with ATC?

They use tail numbers, no callsigns.

 

[starcheckdriver]

I heard a rumor the deal is signed, however, nothing has been posted on Delta or Segrave's website. Anyone know the status and what it means for the employees of the two companies?

 

[NYG-Flyer]

http://www.airelite.com/AboutNewsArticle.aspx?nk=7


It's official.

 

[cscflystraight]

We are talking about families lives here to save a buck. Maybe this is the only way they can stay in business. I hear they undercut ever charter op out there to get trips. Sadly the firing of crews to dodge training cost must make up the difference.

They (segrave) just did it again. The original LR60 FO at sai was just let go. He just got home on days off and was to go to recurrent after days off; but instead he got the phone call that his 'services are no longer required'.

 

[wacoflyr]

Nelson Massey was the DO at an outfit I used to fly for eight years ago. I didn't like the outfit but I liked him, and respected him. I was very, very sorry to read this thread. How the mighty have fallen.

 

[Pirat8]

Got word just last week that sleazeball Segrave was purchased by Delta Air Elite. Flew for Pegasus,the Hawker 1000 branch of Segrave,and was quite a goatrope operation with no regard for FAR's or crew rest,only about the almighty dollar.Unless you are desperate for a flying job then I would not recommend going there for employment. Nuff said.