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ATRCAPT

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HISTORY TEST

Please pause a moment, reflect back, and take the following multiple choice
test. The events are actual events from history. They actually happened.

Do you remember?

1. 1968 Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by

a. Superman

b. Jay Leno

c. Harry Potter

d. a Muslim male extremist between the ages of 17 and 40



2. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by

a. Olga Corbett

b. Sitting Bull

c.
Arnold Schwarzenegger

d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40



3. In 1979, the
US embassy in Iran was taken over by:

a. Lost Norwegians

b. Elvis

c. A tour bus full of 80-year-old women

d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40



4. During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in
Lebanon by:

a. John Dillinger

b. The King of
Sweden

c. The Boy Scouts

d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40



5. In 1983, the US Marine barracks in
Beirut was blown up by:

a. A pizza delivery boy

b. Pee Wee Herman

c. Geraldo Rivera

d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40



6. In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year old
American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard in his wheelchair by:

a. The Smurfs

b. Davy Jones

c. The Little Mermaid

d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40



7. In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at
Athens, and a US Navy diver trying
to rescue passengers was murdered by:

a. Captain Kidd

b. Charles Lindberg

c. Mother Teresa

d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40



8. In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:

a. Scooby Doo

b. The Tooth Fairy

c. Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid

d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40



9. In 1993 the
World Trade Center was bombed the first time by:

a. Richard Simmons

b. Grandma Moses

c. Michael Jordan

d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40



10. In 1998, the
US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:

a. Mr. Rogers

b. Hillary Clinton, to distract attention from Wild Bill's women problems

c. The World Wrestling Federation

d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40



11. On
9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked; two were used as missiles to
take out the World Trade Centers and of the remaining two, one crashed into
the US Pentagon and the other was diverted and crashed by the passengers.
Thousands of people were killed by:

a. Bugs Bunny, Wile E. Coyote, Daffy Duck and Elmer Fudd

b. The Supreme Court of
Florida

c. Mr. Bean

d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40



12. In 2002 the
United States fought a war in Afghanistan against:

a. Enron

b. The
Lutheran Church

c. The NFL

d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40



13. In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by:

a. Bonnie and
Clyde

b. Captain Kangaroo

c. Billy Graham

d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40



Nope, ..I really don't see a pattern here to justify profiling, do you? So,
to ensure we Americans never offend anyone, particularly fanatics intent on
killing us, airport security screeners will no longer be allowed to profile
certain people. They must conduct random searches of 80-year-old women,
little kids, airline pilots with proper identification, secret agents who
are members of the President's security detail, 85-year old Congressmen with
metal hips, and Medal of Honor winning and former Governor Joe Foss, but
leave Muslim Males between the ages 17 and 40 alone lest they be guilty of
profiling.

 

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Don't need to profile them, just eliminate them and that will be the end of terrorism.
 

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LET'S START THE PROFILING! Neal Boortz

Over the weekend I saw video of police in New York City conducting random searches of backpacks, handbags and packages on NYC subways. There they were, going through the purses of little grey-haired old ladies, young flat-bellies, and various people that nobody in their right minds would think might be carrying a bomb. When are we going to get serious about this? Resources are limited, so those resources need to be applied as efficiently as possible. That means profiling! We are going to end up getting someone killed with this asinine political correctness. If you want to save lives, if you want a better chance of preventing an attack, you look for people who resemble those who have pledged to kill us. You look for Arabs and anyone who looks like they might be from the Middle East. You search Muslims. If they don't like it, remind them of just who it is who brought this situation to bear. Tell them that when their mad Mullahs stop encouraging impressionable young Arabs to kill themselves in suicide attacks, they just might be able to get on a subway train again without intrusive searches.



Political Quote of the Day…
"A moderate Muslim cleric is one that is out of ammunition!"---Terry L.


There is only one flaw in Islam’s plan--the Quran. The plan for world domination is clearly laid out for the followers of Mohammed, including the punishment that awaits those who fail in their mission. “Those who disobey Allah and his messenger will be burnt with fire and suffer a painful doom.” For many who now wage war against us, it is not because they hate us, but because they fear the punishment promised for eternity if they disobey the words of Allah. “Those who deny Allah's revelations must endure the flaming fire.” If you had heard these words every day of your life, what would you believe? ---Barbara Stock

Meanwhile:

American laws will protect us.

Democrats and Leftist will support us.

UNO will legitimize us. (United Nations Organization)

CAIR will incubate us. (Council on American-Islamic Relations)

ACLU will empower us. (American Civil Liberties Union)

Western Universities will educate us.

Mosques will shelter us.

OPEC will finance us.

Hollywood will love us.

Koffi Annan will pass politically correct sympathetic statement for Jihadists.”





Drastic measures are required...political correctness has made us weak and vulnerable...profile all that meets the criteria PERIOD!

They keep threatening and defying laws of humanity...bold and brazen they are...bring it on!

Call me crazy..paranoid...whatever...physically...mentally...and spiritually ready (locked and loaded)...its just a matter of time...
 

BornAgainPagan

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ATRCAPT said:
HISTORY TEST

Please pause a moment, reflect back, and take the following multiple choice
test. The events are actual events from history. They actually happened.

Do you remember?

1. 1968 Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by

a. Superman

b. Jay Leno

c. Harry Potter

d. a Muslim male extremist between the ages of 17 and 40



etc etc etc


Nope, ..I really don't see a pattern here to justify profiling, do you? So,
to ensure we Americans never offend anyone, particularly fanatics intent on
killing us, airport security screeners will no longer be allowed to profile
certain people. They must conduct random searches of 80-year-old women,
little kids, airline pilots with proper identification, secret agents who
are members of the President's security detail, 85-year old Congressmen with
metal hips, and Medal of Honor winning and former Governor Joe Foss, but
leave Muslim Males between the ages 17 and 40 alone lest they be guilty of
profiling.

This list of convenient select few events is yet another one sided attempt by the right wing to spread their propaganda.

Two can play at that game;


1. In 1881 the tsar of Russia was assassinated by:


a. a Russian terrorist
b. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

2. In 1886 a bomb exploded at a demonstration in Chicago killing seven police officers and demonstrators and injuring 67.Who was responsible?



a. labor extremists
b. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

3. Between 1889 and 1909 over 1700 African-Americans were lynched in the United States by:



a. white Southern extremists
b. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

4. In 1894 the president of France was assassinated by:



a. a French terrorist
b. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

5. In 1897 the premier of Spain was assassinated by:



a. a Spanish terrorist
b. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

6. In 1898 the empress of Austria was assassinated by:



a. a Austrian terrorist
b. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

7. In 1900 the king of Italy was assassinated by:



a. an Italian terrorist
b. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

8. In 1901 the president of the United States was assassinated by:



a. an American terrorist
b. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

9. In 1914 who assassinated Archduke Ferdinand of Austria-Hungar, starting the First World War that resulted in at least 20 million deaths?



a. a Bosnian terrorist
b. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

10. Who launched suicide attacks in explosive laden aircraft on American warships in 1945, sinking 40 ships?



a. Japanese Kamikaze pilots
b. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

11. Who blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem in 1946 killing 91 British soldiers as well as British, Jewish, and Arab civilians (the most deadly terrorist act that has ever taken place in Palestine or Israel to this day)?



a. Jewish terrorists
b. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

12. Who massacred 247 men, women and children in a Palestinian village in 1948 in order to cause panic among Palestinians and convince them to flee their homes?



a. Jewish terrorists
b. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40


13. Who set off a bomb in a Birmingham church in 1963 killing four young girls at Sunday school


a. white Southern extremists
b. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

14. Between 1969 and 1994 who killed over 3000 soldiers, police and civiliansin bombings and assassinations in Northern Ireland with the support of groups in the United States and Great Britain?



a. Catholic and Protestant terrorists
b. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

15. Who waged a campaign of bombings and killings in northern Spain since the1970s?



a. Basque terrorists
b. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

16. In 1982 who massacred over 800 Palestinians in refugee camps, mostly women and children?


a. Lebanese Christian militias with the support of the Israeli army in Lebanon and its commander, Ariel Sharon (now prime minister of Israel)
b. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

17. Who set off a powerful car bomb at the American headquarters at Ramstein airbase, Germany in 1981, injuring 14?




a. German terrorists
b. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

18. Since 1970 who killed thousands of police, judges, lawyers, clergy, andother civilians in Colombia, Peru, Guatemala, and El Salvador?



a. drug cartels, leftist guerillas, right-wing paramilitary groups
b. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

19. Who set off bombs at abortion clinics killing 2 receptionists in 1994, murdered 2 abortion clinic workers in 1995, and assassinated 3 doctors in 1993, 1994, and 1998?



a. American anti-abortion extremists
b. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

20. In 1995 who released nerve gas in the Tokyo subway killing 12 and injuring more than 5000?



a. Japanese religious extremists
b. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

21. In 1995 who set off a bomb at the Federal building in Oklahoma City killing 168 people?



a. an American terrorist
b. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

22. In the 1990s who sent letter bombs through the mail in the United State skilling 3 people?



a. an American terrorist named Theodore Kacynski
b. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

23. Who massacred 29 Muslim worshipers at a mosque in Hebron in 1994



a. a Jewish extremist
b. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

24. Who assassinated the prime minister of Israel, Yitzhak Rabin, in 1995?



a. a Jewish extremist
b. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

25. Who assassinated Mahatma Gandhi in 1948 and two prime ministers of India, Indira Gandhi in 1984 and Rajiv Gandhi in 1991?






a. Hindu, Sikh, and Tamil extremists
b. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

I'll give you a hint. The correct answer to all these questions IS NOT "B"

To add;


Yigal Amir (assassinated Yitzhak Rabin) NOT a Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

Eric Rudolph (abortion clinic bomber) NOT a Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

James Earl Ray, NOT a Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

Numerous KKK terrorist acts committed by; NOT Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

want more?
 

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want more?
Nope....I think you put that ignorant S.O.B. that started this thread in his place.
 

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Sorry you went to all that work, BornAgainPagan, but let's compare apples to apples here.

You've collected an assortment of single murders, attacks during times of war, and violence between small, specific factions. For example, during the Troubles in Northern Ireland for a 30-year period, Irish nationalist groups (who were mostly Catholic) traded murders and terrorist attacks with loyalist groups (who were mostly Protestant) who were still loyal to the Crown. Were they terrorists? Yes. Did they intentionally target civilians? Mostly not, and when they did, sometimes an apology was made! Did they ever launch attacks outside the British Isles? No. How many people were killed during the three decades of this nationalist (not secular) violence? Around 3000. Less than the number of innocent people Muslim terrorists managed to kill in just two hours.

Let's look at who Muslim terrorists have killed in the past 30 years: thousands of innocent men, women, and children in the United States, thousands in Israel, hundreds of children in Chechnya, hundreds in Europe, hundreds in Indonesia, etc, etc.
The victims have mostly been killed simply because they were infidels- i.e. a religion or faith other than Islam. Their acts were condoned by their holy book, and embraced and supported by their peers. The reaction of moderate Muslims has not been one of outrage or resolutions for tolerance, but general indifference and placing blame on the victims.

During the Troubles, Catholic and Protestant groups worked with radical groups in Northern Ireland to work through the problems and seek a peace. Catholics and Protestants everywhere else in the world lived and worked together in peace.
How many Muslim groups have we seen doing the same? None. Possibly because the terrorists have actively targeted other Muslims who collaberate with the infidels. What's astonishing is that the greatest outrage we've seen so far from moderate Muslims around the world has been centered around a Koran splashed with urine in a prison! When taken in the context of children being murdered, beheadings, and airliners flying into buildings, that says quite a bit.
It's possible that the extremist branch of Islam is past the point of no return- it's self-sustaining and immune to the pleas of moderates.

Profiling is the only possible way to combat this threat, while preserving our way of life. Moderate Muslims have had the past 20 years to bring the lunatic fringe under control and keep it from expanding, but little has been done. Now that we are fighting a faction that has both the motive and the means to introduce WMDs to our country, every person from that demographic warrants extra scruitiny.

Too bad you can't see that.
 

BornAgainPagan

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EagleRJ said:
The victims have mostly been killed simply because they were infidels- i.e. a religion or faith other than Islam. Their acts were condoned by their holy book, and embraced and supported by their peers. The reaction of moderate Muslims has not been one of outrage or resolutions for tolerance, but general indifference and placing blame on the victims.
This speaks volumes about your characterization of the world as applied to profiling. Granted, there was one item in the list that was exclusively against military targets but so was the bombing of the USMC barracks in Beirut and folks have quickly labled that as a terrorist act.

Terrorism is terrorism and the oringinal post unsuccessfully attempts to justify profiling by terroism only committed by Muslims.

The Quaran advocates no more violence than the bible. It most certainly doesn't condone acts of terrorism.

Moderate Muslims have indeed condemned terrorism by extremists and quite publicly. Your hearing seems to be selective.

It is sad that you see profiling as the only answer. It wouldn't have worked with Richard Reid, a non Middle Eastern Muslim. Profiling was the solution from the Salem witch trials to McCarthyism and more.....I don't buy it.

Profiling is only a knee jerk cosmetic solution designed to give the appearance of security...not unlike soldiers in airports after 9-11 with M16's.
 
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Terrorists have come from every color and creed, but the threat the world is currently facing is not from the IRA, nor the KKK, nor the Germans, nor Japanese Kamikazes. It is a very specific demographic that has sworn to destroy our society and our way of life. That fact makes protecting ourselves very simple, as long as we are willing to use the information.

Right now on the New York Subway, NYPD officers are on patrol due to the increased threat level. Let's say they see an Arab male in his early twenties enter the station. He is sweating profusely and is muttering something over and over in a foreign language. He is hunched over, carrying a backpack that appears to be very heavy, and has one hand in the pocket of the jacket he's wearing (it's August).
Right now, the Police aren't allowed to do anything. They're searching every tenth person, and he's number six. If they stopped him to search him, that would be Profiling.
We have simple and very effective investigative tools available to us to protect against this threat. Why are we burdening our soceity with extra security, while forfeiting the only steps that could effectively prevent an attack? That is insanity.

In the early 20th century, when Police in the South were looking for the culprits of the latest church bombing or hanging of a Black man, do you think they hauled in all the elderly Black women for questioning? :rolleyes:
 

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EagleRJ said:
Terrorists have come from every color and creed, but the threat the world is currently facing is not from the IRA, nor the KKK, nor the Germans, nor Japanese Kamikazes. It is a very specific demographic that has sworn to destroy our society and our way of life. That fact makes protecting ourselves very simple, as long as we are willing to use the information.

Right now on the New York Subway, NYPD officers are on patrol due to the increased threat level. Let's say they see an Arab male in his early twenties enter the station. He is sweating profusely and is muttering something over and over in a foreign language. He is hunched over, carrying a backpack that appears to be very heavy, and has one hand in the pocket of the jacket he's wearing (it's August).
Right now, the Police aren't allowed to do anything. They're searching every tenth person, and he's number six. If they stopped him to search him, that would be Profiling.
We have simple and very effective investigative tools available to us to protect against this threat. Why are we burdening our soceity with extra security, while forfeiting the only steps that could effectively prevent an attack? That is insanity.

In the early 20th century, when Police in the South were looking for the culprits of the latest church bombing or hanging of a Black man, do you think they hauled in all the elderly Black women for questioning? :rolleyes:
The current threat could very well be from non Middle Eastern men...again, Richard Reid. Timothy McVeigh, Terry Nichols, Japenese religious extremists, abortion clinic bombers, etc. all, the likes of which are current threats.

Your example doesn't illustrate your own point. Let's use your own example of a sweaty nervous hunched over, heavy backpack, hand in jacket poket, muttering a foreign language etc....I would check anyone looking and behaving like this..even if it was the Pope...even if his robe was red white and blue. Now let's turn it around and and say Richy Cunnigham is behaving and looking like this and he doesn't fit the Muslim male looking profile. On the other hand we have a Muslim looking male between 17 and 40 behaving normally. To single out the Muslim male is not exactly what I'd call a "very effective investigating tool".:rolleyes:

You referred to profiling as a simple and effective tool but let's not obfuscate, we're really talking about racial profiling.

A better investigating tool would be that the POTUS take the pass down intelligence from the prior POTUS about extremists planning on using airplanes as WMD's seriously and not asking that 30 page long daily security briefings be shortened to a couple of pages.......as opposed to, say a $300.00 tax refund or 230 some odd days at a ranch in TX since being in office.:rolleyes:
 
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Um...the last two airliners brought down by terrorists were Russian jets blown up by Chechen women.

"Somebody get me the head of our Profiling Department pronto!"

If I was Emperor Of The Solar System (and how come I'm not?), I'd make sure everybody on this Forum espousing a superficial generalization about the next threat was on the list of selectees.

This arguing over profiling is wasting more energy than Ricky Martin's girlfriend.

Can't we get back to juicy avatar's and mocking airliners.net dweebs?
 

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BornAgainPagan said:
I would check anyone looking and behaving like this..even if it was the Pope...even if his robe was red white and blue.
But you're not allowed to if the person is Arab in appearance! That would be Profiling, and the ACLU would be all over you. You're also not allowed to investigate airline passengers who you feel might be a security threat if they happen to be Arab, as American and United learned in a recent lawsuit.


Occam's Razor said:
Um...the last two airliners brought down by terrorists were Russian jets blown up by Chechen women.
Women who happened to be Muslim. And there have been several suicide bombings in Israel and Iraq committed by women...... who also happened to be Muslim (not that that had anything to do with their decision to detonate themselves for Allah).

This arguing over profiling is wasting more energy than Ricky Martin's girlfriend.
LOL! :)
 
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