Screwing 135

[x402]

I don't know anything about any of these companies, I thought you were all under the same umbrella? So back to my original question.

They won't be honoring any work action. For now the company is set up to play one group off the other. That, hopefully will change in the near future.

 

[ghostrider64]

No one will receive the SCAB label as long as they refuse to fly any aircraft that have an ending in QS....So don't worry....Besides Netjets will implode long before the strike ever comes....

It's very sad here after the latest slap in the face offer...

But with 91K rules our lives are much much better on the road than they have ever been....Feds finally got one right....Although it's creating havoc with the schedulers and company at large....

 

[CapnVegetto]

I work for one of the companies that flys NJ flights on 135. We do it all the time. Does that make me a scab? Nope. Do I care? Nope. So I'll never work at NJA. BIG F-ING DEAL. I don't want to work there anyway. Don't get me wrong, I don't look down on anybody or anything like that, it's just not for me. I know I wouldn't be happy there. So it's an empty threat in my book.

 

[Mach92]

I don't know anything about any of these companies, I thought you were all under the same umbrella? So back to my original question.

YES they are under the same unbrella. EJI and us EJA fly the same owners, the same contracts. I really don't know why people do not understand this. EJI was "born" from EJA not being able to come to any agreement with gulfstream at the time. RTS (Richard T Scamtulli) said fine screw the union and started EJI. Make no mistake WE are the same company. Walmart and Sam's club both owned by the same company thats us. The money pot is the same as is the OWNERS we fly. If they fly during a strike you figure it out. You think both pilot groups hate each other now just wait.

 

[sweeper]

If the original question that was asked involved flying struck work, then the 135 operators would still be providing the same service as before a strike, and therefore not scabbing. The problem arises if a scheduled operator goes on strike and another airline comes in and flies the routes for that airline. Routes that are yours before the strike are ok to fly, but putting extra flights on the same routes shared with the on strike airline are not.

In the case of EJA and EJI, IMO EJI could keep flying as long as it did not start making up for flights on the EJA side. The only reason I responded to the post is that SCAB is a strong word in this industry and being labeled one incorrectly can hurt in the future.

 

[Yank McCobb]

The problem arises if a scheduled operator goes on strike and another airline comes in and flies the routes for that airline. Routes that are yours before the strike are ok to fly, but putting extra flights on the same routes shared with the on strike airline are not.

The only reason I responded to the post is that SCAB is a strong word in this industry and being labeled one incorrectly can hurt in the future.

Which is EXACTLY what you are doing with your example. Labeling incorrectly.

Based on your example, you seem to believe that if American goes on strike (they have flights from ORD to BFE) and UAL decides to increase THEIR schedule from 4 flights a day to 6 on that same ORD-BFE route, that now the UAL pilots are scabs?!?

Think again.

When EAL was on strike, plenty of US carriers increased flights on their routes. For example, Delta in the SE US and to Latin America. So, were the DAL pilots "scabbing"? Hardly.

If your are going to lecture people about throwing the "scab" word around, then get your facts straight.

 

[semperfido]

If they fly during a strike you figure it out. You think both pilot groups hate each other now just wait.

this is a sticky point that gives me indigestion- they (nji) don't want anything to do with you guys- leave them the f alone. they are happy doing their thing. i support your cause in so far as you should be better compensated. just not at their expense. they are not part of your union so of course they would fly. i am sure i will be flying some trips that would normally be flown by QS airplane, it doesn't make me a scab. i have a job to do and my loyalty is to myself and my family. i am not in your union. if i was i wouldn't fly but if they tell me to fly - i fly. i still support your cause.

 

[sweeper]

ok Yank...you got me....

But, how about in the case of a feeder airline that shares a route with a mainline carrier that is on strike adding flights in place of the mainline flights?

 

[DO-82 driver]

Semperfido....what you don't understand is that NJI, NJE and EJM are very much involved in what NJA does. The President of NJA already admitted during the last round of negotiations that NJA has subsidized those operations. They have been feeding off of us for a while now. Its funny, when you look at the cover page for the release for any NJI flight....it originates out of CMH......Its right there in black and white!!!!

 

[Majik]

EXACTLY!!!

When Boisture stands up at the company recurrent meetings and tells NJA pilots he can't afford to give us a raise, shows the charts that depict how much NJE and NJI are losing, then that is exactly the reason to bring them all in house. Especially if there is legal precedent to do so. If the only reason they are kept separate is so Santulli can move the profits to those parts of the company, at the expense of NJA pilot salaries, then to hell with that!

They fly our customers, they take our profit, and they are paid more, and have the priviledge to fly from home. Time for that crap to stop!