SCOTUS Rules on Military Recruiters

[Caveman]

Fox News is reporting that the Supreme Court has ruled that it's legal to deny federal funds to colleges that don't allow military recruiters. Good. Let's see if the liberals are willing to put their money where their mouth is. Will they stand on principle and continue to deny access or will they fold to keep the money flowing?

 

[Occam's Razor]

Fox News is reporting that the Supreme Court has ruled that it's legal to deny federal funds to colleges that don't allow military recruiters. Good. Let's see if the liberals are willing to put their money where their mouth is. Will they stand on principle and continue to deny access or will they fold to keep the money flowing?

Caveman,

Other than your avatar, do you have any military affiliation?

 

[Purple Promisee]

Donny R. v. FU

Rumsfeld v. Forum for Academic & Institutional Rights (FAIR) (or FU in this post).
http://scotus.ap.org/scotus/04-1152p.zo.pdf

Not only did SCOTUS (it seems like there should be an "R" in there, doesn't it?) give props to Notorious B.I.G. Don, they did it with a real bitch-slap to the complainant law schools (FU).

• First of all, they UNANIMOUSLY overturned the 3d Circuit Court of Appeals
  • UNANIMOUSLY – The Pinkos are having a bad day when they can’t even flame bait Auntie Ruth into biting off, in amici curiae, on an issue based on discrimination.
  • The 3d Circuit! This ain’t the land of fruit and nuts 9th -- whose opinions litter SCOTUS rest room stalls intermixed w/ copies of MAD Magazine. The 3d: home of W’s boy (sc)Alito and FDR’s boy Biddle (of Drinker &, not Bailey Banks &) who went on to Nuremburg fame.
    • It ain’t a matter of left or right, these are legal heavyweights doin’ their thing in the shadow of the building where the Constitution was adopted.
    • If your comin’ into the show off a win in the 3d, you gotta be feelin’ like the Yankees up three games against the Sox … hmmm.
• Second, SCOTUS took on a much broader issue than the question as strictly presented (so much for that trivial “case or controversy” language in Article III (are you with me, my ConLaw Brothers?)).
  • Both sides agreed it was about the Solomon Amendment; requiring schools to let our “boys on the lookout for the cookout” make their recruiting pitch side-by-side w/ other corporate recruiters as a condition of the schools sucking on Uncle Sam’s teet.
  • SCOTUS pushed the rope, went right to the Constitution, Article I – Congress’ power to raise an Army & Navy (sorry AF … or maybe the underlying anti-gay stuff that FU complained of doesn’t apply to you anyway).
    • IE: “Hey private colleges and universities (not just law schools): you wanna ban companies that discriminate against gays from recruiting on your campus? Fine, BUT, you still must 1) allow the military to recruit on campus, 2) treat the military as well as you treat the best-treated non-military recruiter, and 3) if Congress decides it wants to make you let the military on base even if you don’t take fed $, it can do so... FU!

It’s obvious the Military scored a V here but I don’t see who really lost anything. FU’s fight was being driven by a bunch of administrators and professors – they’ve already got jobs, and they've still got their 1st Amendment right to whine about the military. Now their students have equal access to a viable career opportunity in the military that they can choose to pursue or shun for any reason they see fit; whether it’s discrimination against gays, aversion to acute lead poisoning, or the six figure starting #’s (+ signing bonus) that the big firms have to offer (yea capitalism!).

 

[Mamma]

Am I missing something here? Yale and Harvard want to ban ROTC from campus because they discriminate against gays. Yale and Harvard both have Taliban students on campus admitted with zero academic credentials. The students and administrations think these ex-murderous thugs can help the students understand the world. Correct me if I am wrong, but the Taliban executed gays by dropping a brick wall over on them. The Taliban executed women for premarital sex by stoning. The Taliban threw acid on the faces of women who spoke up. So, ROTC=bad and evil; Taliban=enlightening and educational. My thoughts are the schools could care less about gays or women. They hate the military and look down upon us as murderous buffoons. They don't want us there. Period. We are useful idiots and a necessary evil to them. I say pull all federal funds from these clowns.

 

[NorthShore]

Yale and Harvard have Taliban students with no academic credentials?

Care to put up or shut up?

Didn't think so.


And before you ask, 24 years, 4 enlisted, 20 WO. So stuff it before you start.

 

[schoolio]

Yale and Harvard have Taliban students with no academic credentials?

I can't speak as to his academic credentials, but they did admit the former Taliban spokesperson...

http://www.yaledailynews.com/article.asp?AID=32110

Ex-Taliban can learn from Yale experience




I was more than a little puzzled to see the self-satisfied mug of Rahmatullah Hashemi '09 smiling at me from the front of the News on Monday. The last time I saw that Cheshire grin was in Michael Moore's otherwise manipulative "Fahrenheit 9/11," which, for all its demagoguery and factual errors, at least captured the Taliban's odiousness. In a clip lasting 30 seconds, an indignant woman confronts Hashemi -- who no less than five years ago was a chief spokesperson for the Islamist theocracy -- at a public event.

"You have imprisoned the women -- it's a horror," she shouts, tearing off a burka in protest.

"I'm really sorry to your husband," Hashemi answered. "He might have a very difficult time with you."

In the days of the Taliban, a woman who addressed a man in such fashion would have known what she had coming: acid on her face, perhaps; more likely, death.

In 2000, Hashemi, then 21, became a "roving ambassador" for the Taliban -- Angelina Jolie for the Islamofascist set, if you will. He toured the U.S. defending the "achievements" of the Taliban, even visiting Yale. In the months leading up to Sept. 11, Hashemi had a falling out with the Taliban; he became disillusioned with their banning of neckties, chessboards and the Internet because he "wanted something good for Afghanistan." Presumably, Taliban policy prior to its crackdowns in spring 2001, which included public torture and murder of homosexuals, veiling of women and destruction of ancient Buddhist statues, were all "good for Afghanistan." Attempting to show intellectual growth, Hashemi told the News Monday he "really support" free speech, adding, "I did and do believe in women's rights. Yes, women should be able to vote."

How progressive. There is little evidence to show Hashemi's beliefs have changed much; indeed, available information indicates his views on world affairs hardly differ from ignorant conspiracy theories so common today in the Muslim world. In an article posted on the Web site of the organization sponsoring his stay in the U.S., he writes, "Seemingly, like the poor Taliban, common Americans are ignorant of the fact that their franchise state of Israel in the Middle East is serving as an American al-Qaida against the Arab world."

There are certainly students whose beliefs outrage the majority of the student body; some of them even deign to print those beliefs in the campus press on a regular basis. But I have yet to come across a student who seriously supports the sort of abject horrors the Taliban inflicted on the Afghani people, never mind one who worked for a regime that committed such acts.

In a letter to the News, Eric Knibbs GRD '10 wrote, "I was not aware that ideology could disqualify a Yale applicant" ("Students' ideologies should not play role in admissions decisions," 2/28). I believe it should not. But an applicant's employment as an agent for a declared enemy of the United States that abetted a terrorist attack that took the lives of some 3,000 civilians is another matter.

The administration believes Yale is lucky to have Hashemi. According to the New York Times, Yale had "another foreigner of Rahmatullah's caliber apply for special-student status." Said former Dean of Admissions Richard Shaw, "We lost him to Harvard. I don't want that to happen again." Who was the applicant? A member of Saddam Hussein's Ba'ath party? A protege of Robert Mugabe's?

Don't expect a word of protest from our feminist and gay groups, who now have in their midst a live remnant of one of the most misogynistic and homophobic regimes ever. They're busy hunting bogeymen like frat parties and single-sex bathrooms. The answer Hashemi gave five years ago when asked about the lack of women's rights in Afghanistan, "American women don't have the right not to find images of themselves in swimsuits on the side of a bus," is the sort of sophistry likely to curry favor among Yale's feminist activists, who make every effort to paint American society as chauvinistic while refraining from criticizing non-Western cultures. To do so would be "cultural imperialism," and we cannot have that at an enlightened place like Yale.

I personally want to know whether Hashemi supports the flattening of homosexuals via brick walls, which was one of the ways the Taliban dealt with gay men. Having written a newspaper column for nearly my entire time at Yale, I suspect some of my peers would like to see me flattened by a wall, but I doubt any of them served a regime that carried out such a practice as official policy.

Purportedly, Hashemi is here so we can learn from him. Shaw, who gushed that his interview with Hashemi "was one of the most interesting I've ever had," told the Times, "this is a person to be reckoned with and who could educate us about the world." We should welcome Hashemi, in hopes that American pluralism -- eating in a kosher dining hall, taking classes alongside girls and gays -- will help him liberalize his homeland. Rahmatullah Hashemi has much more to learn from Americans and Yale than we do from him.

 

[XShipRider]

Don't kid yourself

Fox News is reporting that the Supreme Court has ruled that it's legal to deny federal funds to colleges that don't allow military recruiters. Good. Let's see if the liberals are willing to put their money where their mouth is. Will they stand on principle and continue to deny access or will they fold to keep the money flowing?

Denying the majority of funds will NEVER happen. There are too many
politicos who have affiliation with these institutions. Oh there'll be a
couple of minor fundings affected here and there but overall the
major funding will continue to flow. That spigot is just too big and
has been open too long for it to close. It's in that rusted, stuck open
position.

 

[Occam's Razor]

Am I missing something here? Yale and Harvard want to ban ROTC from campus because they discriminate against gays. Yale and Harvard both have Taliban students on campus admitted with zero academic credentials. The students and administrations think these ex-murderous thugs can help the students understand the world. Correct me if I am wrong, but the Taliban executed gays by dropping a brick wall over on them. The Taliban executed women for premarital sex by stoning. The Taliban threw acid on the faces of women who spoke up. So, ROTC=bad and evil; Taliban=enlightening and educational. My thoughts are the schools could care less about gays or women. They hate the military and look down upon us as murderous buffoons. They don't want us there. Period. We are useful idiots and a necessary evil to them. I say pull all federal funds from these clowns.

Yeah!...what he said! Everybody knows Yale grads are commie pinko bed-wetters!

Um...didn't our current President graduate from Yale?

 

[Pistlpetet]

Yale and Harvard have Taliban students with no academic credentials?

Care to put up or shut up?

Didn't think so.


And before you ask, 24 years, 4 enlisted, 20 WO. So stuff it before you start.

Your a Geek

 

[NorthShore]

Ouch!! That hurt.

I think I'll go drown my sorrows.

 

[skiddriver]

Caveman,

Other than your avatar, do you have any military affiliation?

Yep, he's a retired USMC senior SNCO, hence the all gold EGA. The heart of the Corps my friend, and don't forget it.

 

[Occam's Razor]

Yep, he's a retired USMC senior SNCO, hence the all gold EGA. The heart of the Corps my friend, and don't forget it.

What a coincidence! I wore a silver and gold EGA for over 20-years! I retired as a senior officer. The brains of the Corps, my friend...and it's ok if you forget it, I'll still love you.

S/F

On topic: The Supreme Court made the right call. Military recruiters should have access to campuses that receive federal dollars. Looks like the system worked, and we can relax.

 

[skiddriver]

What a coincidence! I wore a silver and gold EGA for over 20-years! I retired as a senior officer.

An even bigger coincidence, so did I. S/F

 

[Mamma]

Northshore,
Why all the hostility? "Put up or Shut Up?" "Stuff it?" If what you say about your 24 years in the military are true, then I think you have to give your son a spanking for getting on your computer while you were mowing the lawn. He made you sound like an idiot. If it was you, you should have taken advantage of your 24 years and received a little education. Just Google it and you will find many more. I will be waiting for the apology.

http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/kouri/060303
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/02/26/america/web.0226talib.full.php
http://www.chronwatch.com/content/contentDisplay.asp?aid=19882
http://www.opinioneditorials.com/freedomwriters/jcpp_20060304.html

 

[NorthShore]

Three of the four links you provide are not from reputable news sources. None of them allege that his admission was out of charachter for Yale, which like many schools of it's kind provide admission to a wide variety of non traditional students.

Sorry that my little education is only a MS with dual majors in aeronautical engineering and public administration. I'll try and do better next life.

 

[Pistlpetet]

Do you have any other military service, or education credentials to try to impress us umeducated folk?

Reference my previous post.

 

[Flyerjosh]

Sorry that my little education is only a MS with dual majors in aeronautical engineering and public administration. I'll try and do better next life.

My (insert anatomical object here) is bigger than yours... yada yada yada... this is what drives me nutz about the typical flightinfo thread. No ability to discuss the topic without people falling into childish "playground" antics.

 

[schoolio]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,187006,00.html

Yale's Disgrace Monday, March 06, 2006
By John Gibson

The fact that the former spokesman for the Taliban is now an honored student at Yale University — honored as in he was admitted even though completely unqualified — is an out and out outrage.
This is a guy who was once the spokesman for the Taliban in Afghanistan — the very same regime that hosted and protected Usama bin Laden while he was hatching the 9/11 plot.
His name is Rahmatullah Hashemi. He is now 27 years old, and he's been given a cushy free pass into Yale because he is some kind of star in the academic world. A real catch. You have to squeeze your brain a bit to imagine the Yale bigwigs whooping it up that they scored an actual Taliban official to be a Yalie, but evidently they did.
Rahmatullah told The New York Times: "In some ways I'm the luckiest person in the world. I could have ended up in Guantanamo Bay. Instead I ended up at Yale."
That is Yale's disgrace. This is a university that is the alma mater of the last three presidents. How could Yale actually want a terrorist spokesman on its campus? What is wrong with those people?

And by the way, the Taliban spokesman is taking a spot that some young American might have had. So if you know a kid who didn't get into Yale this year, you probably shouldn't bring up the fact his or her spot went to a Taliban terrorist mouthpiece.
Did Rahmatullah blow up the World Trade Center? No, probably not.
But look at the news Monday. We're talking about the rise of the Taliban again in rural Afghanistan. We're still killing the Taliban if we have half a chance. And Yale lets this one have a prized spot on the campus of one of the two or three top universities in the country?
I must ask again: What were they thinking?
Oh right, we don't sniff over what applicants think to decide whether they can be students at our best schools. We're not the thought police. Right.
But do we look at the applicant's record? How does the Yale archaeology department regard the new student who once represented the Taliban on a tour of America to justify the destruction of the centuries-old Buddhist statues carved into the side of a mountain? Anthropologists, archaeologists, historians screamed in agony as the Taliban shelled the ancient statues. And now he's a student in their midst?
This is the academic world gone completely insane — almost as if they contacted mad cow disease, an illness that chews holes in the brain.
Mr. Taliban should go home. Yale should send him back now. Absent a certificate from a major deprogramming institute, he has no place anywhere in America, least of all on the campus of one of this country's most prestigious universities.
By the way, think any fellow students had a parent or relative killed in the World Trade Center by Taliban protected jihadis sent by bin Laden? If there are such students at Yale — and there damn well should be — should they have to quietly endure the presence of an apparatchik of the machine that plotted and executed their loved ones' most horrible demise?
Yale should do what it encourages its students to do: think.

 

[Huggyu2]

NorthShore,
Did you take any classes on "tact" while in the Army?

 

[El-Rushbo]

NorthShore,
Educational credentials are no substitute for maturity and tact. I think this is where most feel you are lacking.

And yes, Yale has admitted a former Taliban member with a 4th grade equivalent education. Ever seen that Geico commercial with the cavemen at the nice resturaunt?...."Yea, next time try to do a little research."