School Project regarding 9/11

[Michael Hill]

Hello guys.
I'm doing a middle school project that deals with the causes and consequences of change. I was assigened the era of 1990's to Present with the section of America's downfalls. I'm almost done with the research except for a survey that I told the people in my group I would complete. The question is, "In your opinion, how do you think 9/11 changed airport security and the way america works nowadays?" Thanks in advance for helpng me with this.

Mike

 

[Shiny Side Up]

Hello guys.
I'm doing a middle school project that deals with the causes and consequences of change. I was assigened the era of 1990's to Present with the section of America's downfalls. I'm almost done with the research except for a survey that I told the people in my group I would complete. The question is, "In your opinion, how do you think 9/11 changed airport security and the way america works nowadays?" Thanks in advance for helpng me with this.

Mike

You might get a better response if you have a survey with statements people can agree or disagree with in varying stages. Ie:

Airports are safer since 9/11.
A somewhat agree
B totally agree
C disagree
D strongly disagree

ETC ETC. you get the idea. Just my .02, good luck

 

[atrdriver]

"America's downfalls"?? Isn't that just a little bit extreme? To me that sounds like a liberal teacher trying to get students to prove how terrible out country is. But I also agree that you would be better off thinking of a couple of survey type questions.

 

[Michael Hill]

Ok, I'll give you guys some questions to work with...

1.) Do you believe that the main cause of going to Afghanistan was 9/11? If not, explain please. (I know some people believe that Bush wanted to go to war in the first place, not to be prejudice.)

2.) Do you belive that Operation Iraqi Freedom was a failure?

3.) How do you think airport security has changed since 9/11?

4.) How has America altogether changed since 9/11? Operation Iraqi Freedom?

There you go. Just something to work with. If any of you have anything else to add on, feel free. This is a big project for me and it's great to have people in the flying community to help.

Mike

 

[kingsize]

Hello guys.
I'm doing a middle school project that deals with the causes and consequences of change. I was assigened the era of 1990's to Present with the section of America's downfalls. I'm almost done with the research except for a survey that I told the people in my group I would complete. The question is, "In your opinion, how do you think 9/11 changed airport security and the way america works nowadays?" Thanks in advance for helpng me with this.

Mike

I have to take off my shoes sometimes. Oh yeah, and once, they broke off the 1/2" long file that is part of your standard fingernail clippers. How silly is that? Other than that, I really don't think it's a big deal. The increased security seems like it's as much for image as anything.

 

[Eagleflip]

Sorry to be rather cynical, but that paragraph was written amazingly well for a middle-school grade student.

Is there perhaps a hidden agenda here?

 

[Bjammin]

Eagle,

Nope, there is no hidden agenda. He's a smart kid and writes very well for his age.

Mike is my 13 year old son and I introduced him to flightinfo some time ago.

He has a passion for aviation and this forum has a wealth of information and I want him to use it as a tool for school, entertainment, and exploration of his dreams.

He has this project due and he needs some feedback from people in the business on how 9/11 changed our avation system, not only for bad, but for good.

 

[frog_flyer]

i did a research paper on this my junior year of hs. complete with quotes from AA pilots and the whole bit.

got a 97

4 pages.

20 bucks!!

 

[Bjammin]

You know what,

I research paper is for just that, RESEARCH.

The only thing my son could learn from you is extortion.

 

[kingsize]

Ok, I'll give you guys some questions to work with...

1.) Do you believe that the main cause of going to Afghanistan was 9/11? If not, explain please. (I know some people believe that Bush wanted to go to war in the first place, not to be prejudice.)

2.) Do you belive that Operation Iraqi Freedom was a failure?

3.) How do you think airport security has changed since 9/11?

4.) How has America altogether changed since 9/11? Operation Iraqi Freedom?

There you go. Just something to work with. If any of you have anything else to add on, feel free. This is a big project for me and it's great to have people in the flying community to help.

Mike

1. yes, but it had been in the making. former Pres Clinton did some strikes into Afghanistan. It was well established as a terrorist hotspot. I think 9/11 was just the catalyst to go in with thousands of troops to really take out the terrorists. In other words I think 9/11 was the "straw" (the straw being two enormous buildings destroyed and thousand of people killed) that broke the camel's back.

2. Too early to tell. As a military man, I remain optimistic. I wouldn't be doing my job properly in my opinion if I were not.

3. Lots of money thrown at the problem, but not a whole lot of significant improvement as far as I can tell. I see more uniformed security, and occasionally even see some National Guard soldiers doing airport security. That said, I think anyone that did some research and planning could get anything they wanted to past the security without too much problem. It seems like the big improvements in security are mostly superficial, meant to display an image of high security. Maybe that image is more effective than I give it credit for.

4. Americans are fickle. We are really emotional and patriotic when things hit close to home. Then it slowly is forgotten. How have we changed? We haven't. I don't think the average American is any different today than on 9/11. I don't know anyone that has stopped flying, or stopped going out, or stopped going to big celebrations in major cities, or changed plans, or had a will made, or anything like that due to 9/11. I'm sure there are people that have done those things, but I don't know any of them, and I'm sure they are in the extreme minority.

 

[minitour]

Ok, I'll give you guys some questions to work with...

1.) Do you believe that the main cause of going to Afghanistan was 9/11? If not, explain please. (I know some people believe that Bush wanted to go to war in the first place, not to be prejudice.)

2.) Do you belive that Operation Iraqi Freedom was a failure?

3.) How do you think airport security has changed since 9/11?

4.) How has America altogether changed since 9/11? Operation Iraqi Freedom?

There you go. Just something to work with. If any of you have anything else to add on, feel free. This is a big project for me and it's great to have people in the flying community to help.

Mike

The only things I'd be worried about with doing a research paper and using this forum for answering these types of questions are:
1. How are you going to cite your references? (Minitour - FI.com)???

2. These seem like opinion questions versus fact questions. It may be that you are looking for opinion, and in which case you're on a great course to getting what you want, but if you need fact....I'd try asking more factual questions versus "do you feel..." type.

Just mho

-mini

PS
Good Luck!

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

Ok, I'll give you guys some questions to work with...

1.) Do you believe that the main cause of going to Afghanistan was 9/11? If not, explain please. (I know some people believe that Bush wanted to go to war in the first place, not to be prejudice.)

2.) Do you belive that Operation Iraqi Freedom was a failure?

3.) How do you think airport security has changed since 9/11?

4.) How has America altogether changed since 9/11? Operation Iraqi Freedom?

There you go. Just something to work with. If any of you have anything else to add on, feel free. This is a big project for me and it's great to have people in the flying community to help.

Mike

Hi Mike... Good Q's! Here is one guys opinion:

1) I believe, generally speaking, that 9/11 WAS the triggering event that led us to Afghanistan. Note I said TRIGGERING. I believe that the history of our Asian intervention (both Iraq and Afghanistan) is more about demonstrating to Iran that we had the techincal means and political will to protect American interests and ensure our national security in Southwest Asia. Look at the geography involved: We knock over an Islamic Theocracy on Iran's eastern border. Then we forceably remove a Ba'athist/Pan Arab Nationalist regime on Iran's western border. To me, it seems that having our national interests worthy of war in two countries that border the world's largest state sponser of terrorism and most threatening soon to be member of the "Nuclear Club" is just a little too coincidental. Generally, if you park 250,000 troops on someone's border, they get the message loud and clear. Unfortunately, it seems Ahmadinejad (sp?) isn't picking up the phone.

Summary: 9/11 provided the vehicle for a policy which was already in the works regarding American security interests in the Middle East.

2) Remains to be seen. Nation building is hard. It took a decade after WW2 before we felt a little cozy with things, and American troops were needed to protect Germany (and the rest of W. Europe) from the Soviets until the early 1990's... Nearly half a century of military deployment (and don't forget Korea... We are still there). Iraq isn't an episode of "CSI" where all of the problems can be worked out between commercials for Coke and Charmin. This will take at least a decade, and probably more. I am beginning to doubt we have the political will to make it work, due mostly to the American public's unreasonable expectations and short attention span.

3) I don't feel it has a whole lot. We probably do a good job of preventing "copycat" type crimes. As far as detering a sophisticated threat... Maybe a little better but not much. I am a fan of civil liberties, but lets face it, little old ladies aren't trying to blow stuff up... It is mostly Arab males, 17-35 years of age. Until we start really looking at the folks we need to look at, I feel all the improvements are window dressing only. Unfortunately, if we want to retain the amount of freedom we have in our society, then we have to afford everyone the same rights and make screenings as random as possible. It is a no win situation... Unacceptable civil libery violations or a free society with an element of danger. You pick...

4) Wow... we have changed allot. Americans I think are generally more aware of the world around them. Hard times tend to drive people to become informed and vote, which is a good thing. I think for the first time since the civil rights movement of the '60s we are openly debating what our Constitution means and what we are willing to sacrifice to be safe. All of this is positive. An informed populace is the surest protection agianst tyrrany.

Good luck...

 

[Metro752]

Ok, I'll give you guys some questions to work with...

1.) Do you believe that the main cause of going to Afghanistan was 9/11? If not, explain please. (I know some people believe that Bush wanted to go to war in the first place, not to be prejudice.)

2.) Do you belive that Operation Iraqi Freedom was a failure?

3.) How do you think airport security has changed since 9/11?

4.) How has America altogether changed since 9/11? Operation Iraqi Freedom?

There you go. Just something to work with. If any of you have anything else to add on, feel free. This is a big project for me and it's great to have people in the flying community to help.

Mike

go away, theres too many libs to defeat here already, come back in a year

 

[FN FAL]

I was assigened the era of 1990's to Present with the section of America's downfalls.

Why limit yourself to 9/11? The 1990's was a cornucopia or world and nation changing events.

http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/walsh/

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/april/19/newsid_2489000/2489769.stm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodney_King

http://www.mipt.org/murrahfinalrpt.asp

http://www.usfa.fema.gov/downloads/pdf/publications/tr-076.pdf

 

[Bjammin]

go away, theres too many libs to defeat here already, come back in a year

The kid is 13!!! He doesn't know anything about lib or con.

Tell him what you think instead of being a j-----s.

By the way, he thinks like a conservitive.

 

[flyerswife]

School paper

Ok, I'll give you guys some questions to work with...

1.) Do you believe that the main cause of going to Afghanistan was 9/11? If not, explain please. (I know some people believe that Bush wanted to go to war in the first place, not to be prejudice.)...
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Mike

Michael... based on your questions; I'm not so sure this is the right group to ask. Not that they won’t have opinions. I’m sure they will. Rather, I don’t think you are taking advantage of the first hand knowledge they have. Probably questions along the lines of how has your life, your career, your choices or your industry been effected by the events of 9/11 and the governmental changes which followed?

The industry has changed a lot since Sept of 2001. Many small fight schools, which had been in business for over a decade or more, had to close their doors. The huge amount of foreign students which used to fill the schools quit coming. Insurance companies increased the rates which made it next to impossible for so many flight schools to stay open.

All students of larger aircraft whether US citizen or otherwise are now required to go through background checks prior to receiving training. This had added expenses to the hiring and training process. Foreign students applying for training at schools with large aircraft must sponsored by an employer. i.e. non-citizens cannot attend any of the airline pilot training schools unless they have already been hired. They cannot get hired because they cannot get the training.

There’s more…. but I’ll leave that to the others to tell…

I do have a question though…. If you are writing on the 1990’s … how does an event in 2001 fit in? i.e. the direction of your paper is what in the 1990’s led up to 9/11?

Good luck with your research.

flyerswife

 

[Michael Hill]

Hello guys.
I was assigened the era of 1990's to Present

Mike

Just to point somthing out... that's why I'm doing 9/11

 

[sky37d]

Ok, I'll give you guys some questions to work with...

1.) Do you believe that the main cause of going to Afghanistan was 9/11? If not, explain please. (I know some people believe that Bush wanted to go to war in the first place, not to be prejudice.)

2.) Do you belive that Operation Iraqi Freedom was a failure?

3.) How do you think airport security has changed since 9/11?

4.) How has America altogether changed since 9/11? Operation Iraqi Freedom?

There you go. Just something to work with. If any of you have anything else to add on, feel free. This is a big project for me and it's great to have people in the flying community to help.

Mike

Mike,
I think that going to Afghanistan would not have happened quite as readily if it were not for 9/11. I think that was a catalyst that put the president in a position that forced him to go into Afghanistan.

I do not believe Operation Iraqi Freedom is a failure. If you look back at history, there have been many pre-emptive operations. Granted, few were as large as this one. We had a guy who didn't like us, who was supposed to do somethings, that he agreed to do. We had reason to think his lack of cooperation was due to things he was trying to hide. It was a big move, but necessary given the facts of the time. As others have pointed out, it will take a long time before we can withdraw.

I think that the changes in airport security are largely cosmetic, but were and are necessary. Unfortunately, there will have to be more changes because what we have done hasn't been enough to stop someone who is really crafty. Remember, the shoe bomber came on the plane with explosives in his shoes, after security was tightened. What I do think changed is the perspective of passengers. Before it was a pain in the neck, now it is viewed as a pain in the neck, but necessary.

I don't know. There are to many things to think about. First, though, is that I think if there ever was another hijacking, the planes would not make it where the terrorist would want. People remember what happened. I think people are a little more careful. You could as the same question about how did America change after Katrina.
Good luck