Schmeddley you Schmuck

[hydrarkt]

YOu know who is laughing all the way to the bank with this??? Ford and Harrison. These clowns will convince FO managment to keep them onboard for as long as possible. They will charge large amounts of money for dated service in an industry that they don't understand. The same thing happened at NJA while bargaining for the new CBA. They failed at NJA and they will fail at FO. But they don't care because they will still get paid. Sounds like a great business... get paid even if you fail.

This is the link to Ford and Harrison..

http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomf...est=1&remove_url=http://www.fordharrison.com/

 

[XPGuy]

Well yeah, these guys at Ford & Harrison are worse than ambulance chasers. It is a crying shame that our company is going to waste millions of dollars on a campaign that they will surely lose, and the union chasers will get paid either way, and then move onto their next victim.

 

[Guitar Guy]

It's a sad irony that the company would rather pay some so-called "union busters" a large chunk of change and endure the inevitable breakdown in morale and operational efficiency than pay the pilots. When all is said and done, H & F walks away with a lot of money and the company and pilots are left a huge wall of distrust between them. And if the story ends up like NetJets, the pilots still get a nice salary so all the company did was waste a bunch of money on attorneys' fees and see owner satisfaction needlessly plummet.

 

[netjetwife]

Well said Guitar Guy!

Not to mention, it just proves to the pilots that the company was quite capable all along of paying fair wages, in spite of their claims to the contrary. As we saw at NJA, the legacy of distrust that follows such actions just adds insult to injury. Another management team showing they lack the ability...or interest... to look beyond the present situation. Sad, but not surprising. I'm glad I'm married to a union builder, rather than a union buster!

Remember when things looked so grim last year and SU leadership kept assuring all of us that all contracts do get settled and we just had to hang on? NJ pilots did learn how to use their leverage and we came out ahead in the end.

DIG IN YOUR HEELS AND STAND YOUR GROUND!

YOUR FAMILIES WILL ALL BE VERY PROUD OF YOU.

 

[jetwash]

Schmeddley,

I have seen lots of reason why Flight Options should have a Union and contract, yet nobody posted a list of reason why it is better to work without a contract and union. Would you please post your reasons why I would be better off working without a contract? Flight Options makes us sign a contract for trainning, why shouldn't I ask them to sign one as well?

 

[ultrarunner]

...When you finish chatting, can you please explain to me how it is that blue collar workers can be paid more than pilots? That's always been difficult for me to understand....
NJW

Because WIFEY, it's never been hard for company's to find pilots willing to sell themselves for less because it's what they want to do. Until you find pilots willing to say "no" and walk away, it will continue to perpetuate. And if you think a union is going to solve that problem, you're not up on current events.

 

[netjetwife]

With all due respect, I do believe that having over 2000 frac pilots willing to walk....strike...for a better contract did just recently impact the industry. Currently more pilots are in the process of telling managers "NO" we aren't willing to put up with this any longer. The tide has shifted and I've been watching it happen..from the inside. This is a current event that I understand quite well.

I do agree that more is needed than just the framework of a union. Leverage only works if it's applied. Voices are only heard when raised in chorus--loud and strong. That is the only common ground we share. It is my contention that frac pilots don't have to walk away to make a difference. Standing united in their demands for professional treatment and pay, can, and does, make a huge difference.

Runner, (BTW, is that a reflection of your attitude?) your solution to the problem is based on one response that is too slow, relies on too uncontrollable of an environment (market place), and is not guaranteed to bring the needed results. Walking away is not the answer. Standing united (it's the will that counts, not the word) sends a clear message that conditions must be changed. The pilots will see faster results because they will apply leverage to a controlled environment (their own frac company) with organized efforts that will yield a good/fair contract. How can you ask the pilots in a company to bide their time waiting for the vagaries of the economy and the decisions of new hires? There is no justice in that.

FRACTIONAL FAMILIES HAVE WAITED LONG ENOUGH--IT'S TIME TO TAKE A STAND

 

[Hawkered]

I really think the entire American workforce has had enough. Between jobs being exported overseas and CEOs amassing fortunes in severance for running perfectly good companies into the ground- we've pretty much all had enough.

Did you see that CEO of Independence Air the other night?

He's taking 2.1 million dollars home with him from the bankruptcy proceedings!!

 

[jetwash]

A YES vote will send Scheeringa packing!!!

A NO note will give him a big bonus and the pilots a cut in QOL.



It's time he discovered that Flight Options is not going to be a career position for him. How ironic, it is now the pilots who are in a position to have the CEO fired.

 

[Archie Bunker]

I really think the entire American workforce has had enough. Between jobs being exported overseas and CEOs amassing fortunes in severance for running perfectly good companies into the ground- we've pretty much all had enough.

Outstanding. I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiment, but unfortunately the American people keep voting for leaders that haven't been protecting the American worker (Republicans and Democrats alike). We're slowly turning into a service-oriented economy vice the once strong manufacturing economy that we used to be. It's too easy for Nike, and everyone else to make their products in China, where the slave labor force is virtually unlimited. High tech jobs are also being exported overseas to places like India under the guise of the "global economy." I mean, why pay Joe Dumbrowski in Chicago, with a Masters Degree in Electrical Engineering a $100k a year, when you can pay Haji in Bangalore, India with the same Masters Degree $15K a year to do the same job? And Haji is real happy to boot? Unfortunately, if we don't find some new leaders in this country that are willing to take measures to protect American jobs, we will watch the middle class slowly disappear in this country, and we'll be a nation of "haves and havenots."

Did you see that CEO of Independence Air the other night?
He's taking 2.1 million dollars home with him from the bankruptcy proceedings!!

That's par for the course. At Delta, our former CEO Leo Mullin walked away with $16 million in a suitcase for his stellar performance while at the helm of the good ship Delta. Every one of the idiots on the Delta board of directors that gave the thumbs to that severance package should have their collective heads on a platter.