schedules

[gern_blanston]

Ground delays don't count. If you leave the ground on a '135 flight with a reasonable expectation of goin' over, you're treadin' on some pretty thin ice. Dispatch isn't responsible, the crew is, and that '91 empty leg still counts as duty time.
Don't get in trouble, Man. All of the POI's I've ever had would be foaming at the mouth and gnashing their teeth hearing a story like that.

 

[400A]

400A. Oh, you better understand the regs a little better then that. The Planed Completion Time was well within 14 hours, and a two pilot crew is allowed to fly 10 hours, hell you can even fly over 10 hours obviously for weather and unforseen events, or you are Part 91 flying home.

I have a very good understanding of the regs. I am also aware of what planned completion time is, and you my friend did not comply. I also know that based on your own bragging post(like you were some kind of hero) that you did not allot for penalty rest. HHHHHHHMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!

I have been flying on the same charter certificate fo 12 years. I have watched many guys try to bend that reg, only to be violated or revoked. You just keep playing word games with the feds, and see how that works for you.

By the way, unless that medical team is employeed by your air ambulance operation, you were NOT part 91 on the way home.

The feds will also tell you that since you do customs so much, then you knew there could be delays, therefore the were not unexpected.

Dont worry though, I am sure your ops guys can make the paperwork LOOK right. you will be ok. Towers dont keep records, and FBO computers dont time stamp either. Then there is that darned flight plan..... More of a paper trail than you thought. Yep, seen them do that too.

 

[cands]

hi y'all. i was wondering if you could either post or PM me examples of your schedules, typical amount of time home and away from home, and the different outfits you used to/currently fly for. i know it's prying a little, and i'm sorry if i offend anyone, but i am trying to get a feel for which aviation avenue to follow. thanks!
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Our flight department is 2 airplane 2 pilots, we only fly the twin Cessna when the Learjet is in MX.
Normal schedule is 20 Hours a month, on call 8 am to 5 pm no weekends. Time away from home max 3 nights a month

 

[cforst513]

Our flight department is 2 airplane 2 pilots, we only fly the twin Cessna when the Learjet is in MX.
Normal schedule is 20 Hours a month, on call 8 am to 5 pm no weekends. Time away from home max 3 nights a month

wow... that's something like what i want to do. you want to walk my resume in in about 8 years?

 

[cands]

I'll be waiting for it

 

[CaSyndrm]

What's a schedule?

 

[Shamus]

400A, you have top be an idiot. Bragging posts???? Yes the medical team is employed bus us (the same company) and cutoms always puts an air ambulance at the front to the line. The ground delays are not planed for because every patient is different. Some patients can just be droped off, others are more critical and need the crew to go with them to the hospital. In last 400 hours of flight time, I have only made one domestic flight, and only been to two foriegn airports more then once. The roads and distances to the hospital are never the same nor are the times. The air ambulance industry in S. Florida is so cut-throat that other operators are always calling the Feds on each other. The local FSDO has no problem with our flight and duty time. The only thing we do out of the noprm is write our end time Part 135 and 91. Our DOO has 20,000 in Lears so is pretty compitent with the GOM and Regs.


I don't really know what your trying to do with the: KID, and BRAGGING POST comments, just trying to help some one els out on these site.


To add one more comment to the original post. Everything we do is so time critical that I usually only have a two hour heads up before wheels up.

 

[O-Line]

By the way, unless that medical team is employeed by your air ambulance operation, you were NOT part 91 on the way home.

That's what really caught my eye too. Unless those medic's paychecks come from the same place yours do, those where 135 passengers going from SAT to FLL.

 

[O-Line]

The local FSDO has no problem with our flight and duty time.

They never have a problem, until it's too late and you get a certified letter in the mail.

Our DOO has 20,000 in Lears so is pretty compitent with the GOM and Regs.

Why is he working for your operation, all that experience and he's working for a South Florida Lear 135 air ambulance operation? It's quite possible that when he was a bright eyed 1600 hour Lear F/O, he violated duty times, got violated and has been stuck ever since. I'm not saying this is the case, just something to think about.

I don't really know what your trying to do with the: KID, and BRAGGING POST comments, just trying to help some one els out on these site.

Your post come across as bragging, and you are obviously still new to the industry. 400 hours as a Lear F/O in S. Florida, let me guess you got hired in December of 2004, you're grossly underpaid and overworked, but hey you're building that Jet time! Upgrade is just around the corner, life is good. Look we've all been there, just protect yourself.

To add one more comment to the original post. Everything we do is so time critical that I usually only have a two hour heads up before wheels up.

"Everything is so critical" is the type of attitude that gets people killed. It's simply not that critical to get Granny, who broke a hip on a cruise ship, back home. Trip sound familiar? Here's the reality, the patient has to be stable enough to transport. The patient will almost always be better off in some third world hospital than in the back of a Lear. Think about that next time.

 

[FracCapt]

Thanks kid!??? The flight is assigned within the 14 hours, dispatch does not accout for all the ground delays, nor does it matter because do not they have to account for the return trip home because it is a Part 91 emptly leg home. Kid???

Yes, Kid. That's exactly what you are in this industry. A kid. Once you have been doing this for a few more years, you will have a little more sense when it comes to things like this.

Air ambo is a tough business....but it's not as unpredictable as you seem to think. Maybe you've just been brainwashed by your dispatchers and 20,000+ hour DO. I won't make this long winded....others have already responded to your posts with more realistic info and situations.

Just remember.....when the sh!t hits the fan, it's YOUR butt on the line....not your dispatchers....not your DO's.. A violation will seriously screw up your career plans.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

yes KID.

many have been there, done that...we just weren't stupid enough to admit it, nevermind DEFEND it!

How much you get paid to run ratty air ambulance Lears out of S Florida? next to nothing Im sure...

and that 20K hour DO!! Puhlllease....he will hang your a$$ out in a heartbeat. dont ever doubt it.

Just rememeber, when you are violating X number of regs and exceeding a duty day -- Its your A$$. Be real careful when you land after that 30hr day... blow a tire, clip a tip -- guess who's gonna hang for it? The 20K DO? the patient? the dispatcher? no...YOU...and that may leave you running ratty A$$ lears to Mexico to pick up drunk moped accident tourists for the rest of your pathetic a$$ career...

Bend the regs, fudge the paperwork, be a cowboy.....Just do be stupid enough to brag about it - you show just how new you are..KID.

Get the time and leave - minimize the exposure.

Good Luck and Be Careful.

 

[cforst513]

(in a squeaky cartoon voice) "Hi guys!!! remember me? i bet you thought that i was dead. i'm the original thread!! i'm just here to let you know that i'm still alive and kicking, despite all that's going on around me. so if anyone has something helpful to contribute to me and my original subject, by all means do it!! but i don't like thread hijacks. hijacks make me saaaaaaaaaaaad. please don't hijack me anymore, misters. i'm just a kid!"

 

[bigD]

Hey man, thread hijacking is just a part of life around here!

So how many BBQ stops do you guys get on average? I do about one per week, although I'm looking to improve that a bit.

 

[FracCapt]

So how many BBQ stops do you guys get on average? I do about one per week, although I'm looking to improve that a bit.

Slacker!! 6-8 a month. Mostly Brazilian. [homer] MmmmMMmmmm....brazilian BBQ.....<drueling> [/homer]

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Hey man, thread hijacking is just a part of life around here!

So how many BBQ stops do you guys get on average? I do about one per week, although I'm looking to improve that a bit.

What the hell you know about BBQ D.... after all, you PFT at Gulfstream

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