scabs

[No Name II]

i am a former eastern pilot and striker. many,many years and airlines have gone by, but i still believe i did the right thing. the right thing because i can get up and look at myself in the mirror every day and know that integrity counts for something.the right thing for my carrer even though i am now at my 4th major airline.(EAL, Pan Am, UsAirways, SWA ). very few scabs are at major airlines except continental and air tran No offense to the non scabs at air tran (ihave friends there from UsAirways) but in my book it don't count as a major airline. i can tell you that even if a scab can make it to a major, his life can be hell (want someone to take a **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** in your hat?) looking back, if i had to face the same decision again i would do the same thing even with the personal hardship that it entailed. we ran that f...ing Lorenzo out of the business for good to the benefit of all! my two cents

 

[Publishers]

all that

If you went through all that to run Lorenzo out of the business, it was pretty much a waste of your time.

It would be just about the same as saying I gave up my career to protect Charles Bryan's ego.

 

[CitationLover]

So someone shat in a hat on a scab. How brilliant we have become as a "professional" group. Is it ALPA or the Cripps?

 

[No Name II]

i had not intended to open up the entire EAL situation/history. that water has long past that bridge. there is plenty of blame to go around for eal's demise. the issue is what's right or wrong. time and time again we have seen in this business too much of the " i got mine pull up the ladder mentality" among pilots. this i believe just ends up hurting us all in the end.

 

[typhoonpilot]

Kind of a pointless thread and I probably shouldn't bite but I am going to. How do you classify the guys at Eastern who were on strike for six months and then went back to work en-masse ? They are on the scab list, but one could hardly classify them as scabs. These were the guys who were not lucky enough to be hired by United, USAirways, Midway, or another carrier. The guys who were forty something and saw their houses, cars, children's education slipping away over a mechanics strike. The guys who were being told by ALPA national after three months of strike to " go back to work ".

I don't really have a dog in this fight, but I have known a lot of the guys in the category I have just mentioned and they are all top guys, yet they have their names on a scab list. The " heroes " at United who were on strike for all of 35 days look down upon them. Pilots who have never faced the decisions these pilots made and went through the six months of uncertainty that these pilots went through look down upon them.

Unless you are a Continental striker who lost their job after two years, or an Eastern pilot who didn't get hired by someone else after six months I don't see how you could possible judge those guys.

Flak jacket on, fire away.


Typhoonpilot

 

[USMC319]

No Name II,

I don't like scabs or the situation that made certain pilots become scabs, however, it has been implied on these boards that only non-major carriers employ scabs and that is not the case. I know of many who are employed at your beloved SWA. Fire should be directed at the individuals whom choose to become scabs, not at the National Airlines that are percieved to be havens for them.

 

[No Name II]

i too have flown with those august "crawl backs" over the years . i agree there are some really good guys in that group. i had already resigned from Eastern by that time, so at that point i was not as personally affected. i have a tough time calling them scabs. i think they were put into an impossible situation at that point with a factional split in the union at that point. life is not always black and white as we know, lots of gray. as to this thread being pointless, my idea was to give those who did not live through this time a personal perspective on a very difficult time. maybe it will help someone new to this game if they are every in that same position as i was in 1989

 

[typhoonpilot]

Fair enough. The thing that really bothered me when I went back to USAirways after 8 years on furlough was a captain with the scab list telling me he would never allow any guy on that to ride his jumpseat. When I pointed out to him that I had flown with a bunch of those guys over the last 8 years and how they were on strike for six months before going back he started to soften his stance. As you say it isn't always black and white, but a lot of people who weren't around then and now have that list with them don't understand.

Typhoonpilot

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

How do you classify the guys at Eastern who were on strike for six months and then went back to work en-masse ?

Scabs crossing a line en masse.

6 minutes, 6 hours, 6 days, 6 months.
Scabs.

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

Per Webster:

Main Entry: [1]scab
Pronunciation: 'skab
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, of Scandinavian origin; akin to Old Swedish skabbr scab; akin to Old English sceabb scab, Latin scabere to scratch —more at SHAVE
Date: 13th century
1 : scabies of domestic animals
2 : a crust of hardened blood and serum over a wound
3 a : a contemptible person b (1) : a worker who refuses to join a labor union (2) : a union member who refuses to strike or returns to work before a strike has ended (3) : a worker who accepts employment or replaces a union worker during a strike (4) : one who works for less than union wages or on nonunion terms
4 : any of various bacterial or fungus diseases of plants characterized by crustaceous spots; also : one of the spots

Looks pretty clear to me. I don't see any statutes of scab limitations.

 

[TR4A]

The Scab

After God had finished the rattlesnake, the toad, and the vampire, He had some awful substance left with which He made a scab.

A scab is a two-legged animal with a corkscrew soul, a water brain, a combination backbone of jelly and glue. Where others have hearts, he carries a tumor of rotten principles.

When a scab comes down the street, men turn their backs and Angels weep in Heaven, and the Devil shuts the gates of hell to keep him out.

No man (or woman) has a right to scab so long as there is a pool of water to drown his carcass in, or a rope long enough to hang his body with. Judas was a gentleman compared with a scab. For betraying his Master, he had character enough to hang himself. A scab has not.

Esau sold his birthright for a mess of pottage. Judas sold his Savior for thirty pieces of silver. Benedict Arnold sold his country for a promise of a commission in the British Army. The scab sells his birthright, country, his wife, his children and his fellowmen for an unfulfilled promise from his employer.

Esau was a traitor to himself; Judas was a traitor to his God; Benedict Arnold was a traitor to his country; a SCAB is a traitor to his God, his country, his family and his class.

--Jack London

 

[Publishers]

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the idiocracy and banality of some on these boards nevers ceases to amaze me. The fact that you also find intelligence, thought, and companssion amongst those who wonder mindlessly through life never willing to walk on water because they will not get out of the boat equally intriquing.

The fact is that if you were honest, if you walked into the companies you critique so well, told them how you felt, you would not be hired at all. So what conclusion can I make except you were hired because you were a liar.

 

[johnny taliban]

ALPA

the guys who were being told by ALPA national after three months of strike "to go back to work"

If the great ALPA told these guys to go back to work, then how is it that some of you zealots still refer to them as scabs?

Johnny

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

Re: ALPA

If the great ALPA told these guys to go back to work, then how is it that some of you zealots still refer to them as scabs?

If the pilot group voted to return to work, then they did so in unity. If the pilot group votes to strike, and people cross the line, they are scabs. A pilot group divided is powerless. That's the whole point.

 

[johnny taliban]

So ALPA telling these guys to go back to work is irrelevant?

 

[typhoonpilot]

What is really interesting Hugh is that I worked in two different places with groups of former Eastern pilots. Some had stayed out the whole time ( i.e gotten other jobs and didn't need to go back ) and others went back after six months. In fact, in one case, one of the guys I was hired with was a crawl back and the guy who helped us get the job was a guy who never went back. These guys don't have any animosity towards one another so why do people who have no idea what they are talking about label them scabs ?

As to the vote to go back to work, let one of the guys who was there describe to you how that vote went down and how the next day 900 pilots went back to work. It's an interesting story and another grand example of how screwed up ALPA is.

TP

 

[hopeful]

can you spell "fumondacheese?"

Me neither but if I could I would put as much as I could muster on a cracker for all of you Scab Fags!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Suck on my Chubby you home wreckers