Sanford, FL Crash?

[The_Russian]

Just saw a blurb on the news about a fatal crash near SFB. Anyone have any details?

 

[FrozenPilot]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070710/ap_on_re_us/small_plane_crash;_ylt=AjNzkhupAhDH5A2fShH1ZhZH2ocA

5 dead after small plane hits Fla. homes


SANFORD, Fla. - A small plane registered to a company linked to NASCAR's late chairman crashed into two houses while trying to make an emergency landing Tuesday, killing five people and starting fires that seriously burned three others, authorities said.

The identities of the dead were not immediately released.
At least two victims were on the plane, authorities said. A NASCAR spokesman in Charlotte, N.C., said the public relations staff was "in the information gathering stage" but he had no further details about how had been aboard.
Both of the homes were largely gutted by the flames, and smoke could be seen rising from the suburban Orlando neighborhood where the plane went down around 8:40 a.m.
Matt Minnetto, a fire investigator with Sanford Fire Department, said two people aboard the plane were confirmed dead in the crash and the plane itself was scattered in several pieces. At least three people were injured in one of the homes, including two adults and a boy about 10 years old who had burns over 80 to 90 percent of his body, Minnetto said.
"It was an extremely intense fire," Minnetto said. The crash spilled aviation fuel, contributing to the fire's spread.
Three of the victims killed in the crash and fire were believed to have been inside or near the homes, said Seminole County Fire Chief Leeanna Raw. She said three of the fire people killed were adults. In one home, there were reports that a toddler might have been missing in the fire, Minnetto said.
A firefighter who responded to the blazes was also hurt.
The twin engine Cessna 310 was registered to Competitor Liaison Bureau Inc. of Daytona Beach, said Kathleen Bergen with the Federal Aviation Administration.
Competitor Liaison is registered under the name of William C. France, the late chairman of NASCAR, according to online records from the Department of State Division of Corporations show. James C. France is listed as an officer of the company.
The plane was traveling from Daytona Beach to Lakeland when the pilot declared smoke in the cockpit. The pilot was attempting to land at the Orlando Sanford International Airport when the plane crashed about a mile or two north of the airport, Bergen said.
A message left with an airport spokeswoman was not immediately returned.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Some major payouts coming...

 

[Rally]

Only whats in the corporation.

 

[Cardinal]

How is it that military guys, saddled with lousy glide ratios, always seem to get the aircraft pointed towards a safe area? Or the F-16 pilot a few months ago who rode it in, expending his life for the safety of others?

So why do countless GA morons (And the Pinnacle toolboxes) manage to centerpunch houses, schoolyards, and apartment buildings? YOU assumed the risk when you took off, not the bystanders on the ground. If there is even the slightest doubt about clearing that next line of houses or orphanages, take one for the team and nosedive into the ditch/gully/road/whatever.

This deal is just nauseating. The dead people are the lucky ones. This poor 10 year old was eating his Cheerios one second and was burnt to a crisp the next second. The pain and suffering has only just begun for him.http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/seminole/orl-bk-burnedboy1007jul10,0,746453.story? A great contribution to aviation today.

Monday morning quarterbacking before all the facts are in? Sure. I'm guilty. But it's quite clear the game was lost.

 

[FlyinFife]

So what do you do?

How is it that military guys, saddled with lousy glide ratios, always seem to get the aircraft pointed towards a safe area? Or the F-16 pilot a few months ago who rode it in, expending his life for the safety of others?

So why do countless GA morons (And the Pinnacle toolboxes) manage to centerpunch houses, schoolyards, and apartment buildings? YOU assumed the risk when you took off, not the bystanders on the ground. If there is even the slightest doubt about clearing that next line of houses or orphanages, take one for the team and nosedive into the ditch/gully/road/whatever.

This deal is just nauseating. The dead people are the lucky ones. This poor 10 year old was eating his Cheerios one second and was burnt to a crisp the next second. The pain and suffering has only just begun for him.http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/seminole/orl-bk-burnedboy1007jul10,0,746453.story? A great contribution to aviation today.

Monday morning quarterbacking before all the facts are in? Sure. I'm guilty. But it's quite clear the game was lost.

What have you been trained to do? When you have smoke in the cockpit of your B1900 or E120, do you try to return to the airport (or divert to one if you're enroute), or say screw the airport I'm going for an empty field? And if you're not going to clear the next ridge/house/powerline/baby stroller do you then automatically point it at the nearest empty space. What is that empty space you would use in the middle of a city two miles short of the runway with smoke in the cockpit? Just curious.

 

[Cardinal]

I'm trained to not crash. But if crashing is the only option, basic human decency dictates what you point at.

 

[svcta]

Sure it does. Be19, E120, I'm guessing Gulfstream, by the way.

 

[Fearless Tower]

How is it that military guys, saddled with lousy glide ratios, always seem to get the aircraft pointed towards a safe area? Or the F-16 pilot a few months ago who rode it in, expending his life for the safety of others?

So why do countless GA morons (And the Pinnacle toolboxes) manage to centerpunch houses, schoolyards, and apartment buildings? YOU assumed the risk when you took off, not the bystanders on the ground. If there is even the slightest doubt about clearing that next line of houses or orphanages, take one for the team and nosedive into the ditch/gully/road/whatever.

This deal is just nauseating. The dead people are the lucky ones. This poor 10 year old was eating his Cheerios one second and was burnt to a crisp the next second. The pain and suffering has only just begun for him.http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/seminole/orl-bk-burnedboy1007jul10,0,746453.story? A great contribution to aviation today.

Monday morning quarterbacking before all the facts are in? Sure. I'm guilty. But it's quite clear the game was lost.

Dude, you're way out of line. I hate to break this to you, but military planes hit houses too. I seem to recall a blue and gold F-18 that took out a few not too long ago.

I'm trained to not crash. But if crashing is the only option, basic human decency dictates what you point at.

Sure, I like to believe that almost every one of us that gets into a plane feels that way, but that only works IF you still have control of the aircraft AND you can see what you are pointed at. Somehow, I suspect that one if not both of those conditions weren't met in this case.

 

[DrProc]

How is it that military guys, saddled with lousy glide ratios, always seem to get the aircraft pointed towards a safe area? Or the F-16 pilot a few months ago who rode it in, expending his life for the safety of others?

So why do countless GA morons (And the Pinnacle toolboxes) manage to centerpunch houses, schoolyards, and apartment buildings? YOU assumed the risk when you took off, not the bystanders on the ground. If there is even the slightest doubt about clearing that next line of houses or orphanages, take one for the team and nosedive into the ditch/gully/road/whatever.

This deal is just nauseating. The dead people are the lucky ones. This poor 10 year old was eating his Cheerios one second and was burnt to a crisp the next second. The pain and suffering has only just begun for him.http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/seminole/orl-bk-burnedboy1007jul10,0,746453.story? A great contribution to aviation today.

Monday morning quarterbacking before all the facts are in? Sure. I'm guilty. But it's quite clear the game was lost.

How do you know that the airplane was flyable before the crash? Maybe a wing burned off or fuel tank exploded? And by the way, the pilot had more time and experience in airplanes than you probably will in your career.