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Sallie Mae Doing its Part to Reduce the Glut of Pilots

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Their jobs only paid $25,000 - $30,000 to begin with. Even while working, they couldn't pay back the loans. It's sad how flying airplanes has become a minimum wage job with more and more well-paying jobs disappearing every day

Predatory lending, same as subprime. Maybe some liar loans involved, who knows...
 
If it ever gets to the point where the regionals are hiring 300hr pilots, they don't care if you've gone to a puppy mill or mom & pop school. If you have decent quality flight time, you'll get an interview. Save your money kids.
 
If it ever gets to the point where the regionals are hiring 300hr pilots, they don't care if you've gone to a puppy mill or mom & pop school. If you have decent quality flight time, you'll get an interview. Save your money kids.

Where were you a couple of years ago? Several RJ operators hadn't even required any minimum ME time, let alone TT. Haven't you come across this caliber of pilot? .... most must be on the street right now I'd imagine.
 
Where were you a couple of years ago? Several RJ operators hadn't even required any minimum ME time, let alone TT. Haven't you come across this caliber of pilot? .... most must be on the street right now I'd imagine.


RJ skipper flying with some of these low timers. Some did well. Some did not. It really came down to their attitude. My point was one shouldn't waste their money at these pilot mills because the only difference it will make is maybe a slightly higher senority number and a hellavalatta debt.
 
good maybe mesa and gojets will have trouble eventually filling their ranks.

Course then we'll here more foreign types over the radio- seems like both those airlines should have bilingual manuals.
 
There are so many experienced pilots out of work in the USA that if we didn't produce any new commercial pilots for the next five years nobody would even notice. It's going to take years to absorb all the pilots who have lost jobs and are looking for work back into the system. Maybe when retirements start again in 2013 it will make a difference but for now things look pretty grim. Any kid who is paying attention would have to be crazy to spend the money it takes to get into this profession today; commercial aviation just keeps contracting and the pile of unwanted pilots just keeps getting bigger.
 
There are so many experienced pilots out of work in the USA that if we didn't produce any new commercial pilots for the next five years nobody would even notice. It's going to take years to absorb all the pilots who have lost jobs and are looking for work back into the system. Maybe when retirements start again in 2013 it will make a difference but for now things look pretty grim. Any kid who is paying attention would have to be crazy to spend the money it takes to get into this profession today; commercial aviation just keeps contracting and the pile of unwanted pilots just keeps getting bigger.

People who go $100 grand in debt for a $20,000/year job are not exactly brilliant. Actually, they're morons. Kids will keep following their dreams into this profession thinking it will be different for them.
 
People who go $100 grand in debt for a $20,000/year job are not exactly brilliant. Actually, they're morons. Kids will keep following their dreams into this profession thinking it will be different for them.

Easy come, easy go.

I predict that these kids who dropped money on "fast-track" RJ bridge programs with low TT have most likely been furloughed by now. The tail end of the hiring spree brought in a lot of these types of pilots. No CFIing, no 135, just striaght to the flight deck with hardly any PIC oftheir own to speak of.

If they indeed have loans like this, they're going to have to find some means to pay back those loans. I just wonder how many will leave and never look back, finding a job outside of aviation and paying their bills while enjoying their life at HOME. ...ifthey can find a job in another sector.

Moms and dads.... start cleaning out those basements.
 
MPL will be a godsend to the regional airlines in the USA. MPL will allow a newhire to learn how to fly a 121 aircraft in real life scenarios while maintaining the current high level of safety because there will always be a qualified captain on every flight.
 
People who go $100 grand in debt for a $20,000/year job are not exactly brilliant. Actually, they're morons. Kids will keep following their dreams into this profession thinking it will be different for them.


What about those of us who spent $0 (no college) to get a $150,000+ a year job (only an F/O, even bigger bucks when I upgrade) My dreams have turned into reality.
 
Yep, my mortgage is 5.25% FHA 30-year fixed, wanted to refinance, but only have a 780 beacon score and can't find a bank that will talk to me 30-year fixed under 4.75 without putting a lot of money down (which I don't have), even though I have well less than a 80% loan-to-value (got it in foreclosure several months ago).

Do you mind explaining how one can owe far less than 80% of a home's value within months of borrowing to purchase said home with little or no money down?

Maybe the home went into forclosure because the previous owners refused other willing and able buyers who wanted to pay 20-50% more than you did. Were there lots of other cabable buyers eager to pay what you paid to get the house?
 
Do you mind explaining how one can owe far less than 80% of a home's value within months of borrowing to purchase said home with little or no money down?

Maybe the home went into forclosure because the previous owners refused other willing and able buyers who wanted to pay 20-50% more than you did. Were there lots of other cabable buyers eager to pay what you paid to get the house?
Yes.

The previous owners listed their house for 6 months while falling behind on their payments after a divorce split the home, and the home eventually went into foreclosure. The sellers dropped the price $20,000 per week for a month before the final foreclosure date, then went BELOW the amount owed on the home by $35,000 with agreement from the bank to try to sell it before foreclosure was final.

An investment group was also bidding on the house. I just happened to get a contract in a few minutes before the investment group the morning they made the "final price drop" (foreclosure was final that day at midnight). They accepted my contract, and we closed 10 days later.

Everything else in the neighborhood is still listed (7 homes out of 120) and only one (lakefront) has closed since I closed. My house is about 5 down from the lake and across the street, so not nearly the most expensive in the neighborhood, but still appraising highly enough to have 20% equity on paper. Certainly wouldn't sell for that right now, but don't need that to refi, just appraisal with comps showing the "value".

I got a GREAT deal because my aunt is a realtor and was best friends with the listing realtor and heard about it 2nd hand, just coincidental that I was looking. It's on the opposite side of town from where I wanted to be, but couldn't pass up that kind of equity. When the market recovers in 4-5 years, I'll sell the house and move back on the other side of town, use the extra money to buy some rental property, try to get some independence from this rat race we call "aviation".

Hope that answered your question. Best of luck to you!
 

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