Safety pilot question

[flyguy75000]

As safety pilot you will be second in command, and therefore do not need night currency, landing currency, or endorsements. All you need is a single engine private pilot ticket and a current medical.

See Doc's FAR forum where this has been beat to death for years.

NO!!!!!!!!! Please dont log as SIC. You are a legal PIC, as you are willing to accept any violations that may occur while your friend is under the hood (airspace busts, etc.)

If you log as SIC and plan to fly for an airline, etc. they will bust your balls in an interview, asking you how you can have SIC time in an aircraft that doesnt require two pilots. Log as PIC, put safety pilot in remarks column, and leave it at that. It will be a lot less headache down the road. I'm sure someone else can shed more light on this.

 

[JimNtexas]

NO!!!!!!!!! Please dont log as SIC. You are a legal PIC, as you are willing to accept any violations that may occur while your friend is under the hood (airspace busts, etc.)

If you log as SIC and plan to fly for an airline, etc. they will bust your balls in an interview, asking you how you can have SIC time in an aircraft that doesnt require two pilots. Log as PIC, put safety pilot in remarks column, and leave it at that. It will be a lot less headache down the road. I'm sure someone else can shed more light on this.

The safety pilot in the given scenario is in the same boat as any sic in a two pilot required aircraft. The safety pilot does not suddenly become pic when the pic puts on the hood. In the given sceanrio the safety pilot would be commiting a serious violation by logging his safety pilot/sic time as pic. It would be no different than an airline copilot logging PIC time because the airplane flew into a cloud.

When one pilot of a light plane is under the hood, two pilots are required. The pilot who is not the FAR 1 Pic for the flight should (if he logs anything) log SIC for the time the PIC is under the hood.

As far as interviews, it is in fact legal sic time. How an employer would react to it in an interview is beyond the scope of the question at hand.

 

[flyguy75000]

Jim,

Never said you couldnt log SIC.....I recommend, along with many people in the airline/corpoarte world, not to do it. The FAA says you can log it as PIC (when the flying pilot is under the hood)..thats what you should do. The thought behind SIC at the higher levels is only for "airplanes that require one." Technically, you are a required crewmember being safety pilot. But do you really want to get into a regs discussion/defending your logbook in an interview? I dont think most would. Maybe I have a different view, there's a lot of ways to skin a cat. But ask other people in the professional side of things, (if thats your goal) what their take is on logging safety pilot as SIC and I'm sure you will be disheartened. This has been discussed many times and here is a link to a previous thread from last year or so.

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=19434&highlight=PIC+safety+pilot

 

[midlifeflyer]

If you log as SIC and plan to fly for an airline, etc. they will bust your balls in an interview, asking you how you can have SIC time in an aircraft that doesn't require two pilots.

To which you answer, "How did you ever get to be an interviewer for an airline without knowing the FAA's basic rules? Is not folowing the rules the way you run the rest of this operation?"

[Not really a recommended answer]

 

[JimNtexas]

The FAA says you can log it as PIC (when the flying pilot is under the hood)..thats what you should do.

That's not correct, the FAA says no such thing. You are confusing the safety pilot with the famous "sole manipulator" PIC time, which fortunately not part of this thread.

In the scenario given at the start of the thread a pilot is flying as safety pilot with the owner of a C182. The owner is both the FAR-1 "signed for the airplane" PIC, and the owner is the "sole manipulator of the controls". The safety pilot is a required crewmember, but he's not manipulating controls, he's looking for traffic. In this case it would be a FAR violation for the safety pilot to log PIC.

In the scenario given in the first post, the safely pilot is the SIC in an airplane that requires two pilots, and that's the only legal way for him to log this time.

As I said before, speculating on how a hypothetical interviewer might react to this is beyond the scope of the original question.

 

[midlifeflyer]

JimNTexas, your answer =assumes= that the owner of the airplane is going to be the Part 1 PIC. The question in the post didn't say that. Is there some reason you think the owner =has to= be PIC?

The FAA has been pretty clear on the rules.

If the safety pilot is acting as PIC, the safety pilot may log PIC time.

If the safety pilot is not acting as PIC, the safety pilot may log SIC time.

 

[JimNtexas]

JimNTexas, your answer =assumes= that the owner of the airplane is going to be the Part 1 PIC. The question in the post didn't say that. Is there some reason you think the owner =has to= be PIC?

The FAA has been pretty clear on the rules.

If the safety pilot is acting as PIC, the safety pilot may log PIC time.

If the safety pilot is not acting as PIC, the safety pilot may log SIC time.

I"m glad you now understand the rules.

RTF:

I am not single engine current and was asked to be the safety pilot for a friend who owns a C-182. Do I need the 3 landings in the last 90 days in a single to act as safety pilot?

As an aircraft owner it's pretty plain to me that the owner is going to be pic, rather than the non-current friend. Suggesting the friend to log PIC time in this case was very poor advice.

 

[midlifeflyer]

I"m glad you now understand the rules. .

as opposed to...?

 

[Username_here]

An employee from the fsdo told me to log safety pilot time towards total time and that's it, unless the sole manipulator commment in which case then pic.

 

[Lil Jon]

how bout .... 61.55 SIC Qualifications (d) This section does not apply to a person who is: (4) Designated as a safety pilot for the purposes required by 91.109 (b) of this chapter.

 

[midlifeflyer]

An employee from the fsdo told me to log safety pilot time towards total time and that's it,

Sigh. Some day proving they know the rules will be required for FSDO personnel before they are allowed to open their mouths.