Safety Pilot Logging PIC

[Spot]

I think this is all implied but, you only need the safety pilot and thus can log acting PIC when the sole manipulator of the controls is flying under the hood. Two pilots cannot just go up and one call "safety pilot" so they both can log it, it aint that easy.

 

[dmspilot00]

Re: Re: Re: Safety Pilot Logging PIC

What good SIC time in my Archer is I don't know, but if you are my safety pilot you can log it.

You can use SIC time, for example, to count towards the 250 hours "as a pilot" required for a commercial pilot certificate.

 

[ShortFinal]

What about CFII?

Ok, now I think I am just starting to second guess myself. If I am a CFII, and I am doing practice approaches with someone who ONLY needs a safety pilot to get current. Am I working as a "safety pilot" in which I could only log it as SIC (lot of good that does me), or am I working as a CFII in which case I too could log it as PIC?

ARRRGGGHHH

 

[midlifeflyer]

Re: What about CFII?

Ok, now I think I am just starting to second guess myself. If I am a CFII, and I am doing practice approaches with someone who ONLY needs a safety pilot to get current. Am I working as a "safety pilot" in which I could only log it as SIC (lot of good that does me), or am I working as a CFII in which case I too could log it as PIC?

ARRRGGGHHH

I don't understand why you are confused or second guessing yourself. The Safety Pilot as PIC or SIC rules assume that you're not acting as a CFI. If you're acting as a CFI, then a completely separate and =independent= rule applies. (61.51(e)(3) "An authorized instructor may log as pilot-in-command time all flight time while acting as an authorized instructor.")

So it's simple. Are you acting as a CFI? Is your "student" logging dual received? Are you endorsing your "student's" logbook for dual given? If the answer's "yes" then you log PIC. Period.

 

[bobbysamd]

CFII

Ok, now I think I am just starting to second guess myself. If I am a CFII, and I am doing practice approaches with someone who ONLY needs a safety pilot to get current. Am I working as a "safety pilot" in which I could only log it as SIC (lot of good that does me), or am I working as a CFII in which case I too could log it as PIC?

If you are a CFI-I and you're working with someone who is flying under the hood, a student-instructor relationship has been established. You are giving instrument instruction. Ergo, sign his logbook, and enter it in your logbook as total time, single or multi-engine, as appropriate, high-performance and/or complex, if you record that time, PIC and instruction given. If you flew at night, log that amount of time that was at night. Don't second-guess yourself.

PS-See my post below about logging it as PIC v. SIC. In other words, don't short yourself on PIC time.

 

[bobbysamd]

Can a person who is a pivate pilot, ride along as a safety pilot with another private pilot, and legally log PIC time.

Yes. You and the other pilot have to agree beforehand who is PIC for the purpose of establishing a PIC for the flight.

Except for an airplane that requires a SIC under its operating regulation, e.g., a two-pilot Caravan under 135 as someone above suggested, logging SIC in the ordinary single or twin is ludicrous. It's either PIC or nothing.

 

[ShortFinal]

Don't know where my head was.

You know, I don't even know why I asked that question. I already knew the answer.

I guess that's what a LONG night cross country will do to your brain.

Thanks to everyone who confirmed what I already knew!!!

 

[dmspilot00]

Except for an airplane that requires a SIC under its operating regulation, e.g., a two-pilot Caravan under 135 as someone above suggested, logging SIC in the ordinary single or twin is ludicrous. It's either PIC or nothing.

Huh?? I hope I misunderstood what you are trying to say. If you are a safety pilot (for someone flying under the hood), you can log PIC if you are acting pilot in command, and most certainly can log SIC if the other pilot is the acting pilot in command. It's not "PIC or nothing." You are well-respected on this forum, please be careful.

 

[midlifeflyer]

Re: Re: Safety Pilot Logging PIC

Huh?? I hope I misunderstood what you are trying to say. If you are a safety pilot (for someone flying under the hood), you can log PIC if you are acting pilot in command, and most certainly can log SIC if the other pilot is the acting pilot in command. It's not "PIC or nothing." You are well-respected on this forum, please be careful.

I'm sure you misunderstood. Bobby is not saying that logging SIC in a 152 is =wrong=. Just that it's "ludicrous". In other words silly, absurd, nonsensical, ridiculous, laughable.

 

[dmspilot00]

Re: Re: Re: Safety Pilot Logging PIC

I'm sure you misunderstood. Bobby is not saying that logging SIC in a 152 is =wrong=. Just that it's "ludicrous". In other words silly, absurd, nonsensical, ridiculous, laughable.

Why? I do not see anything laughable about it.