SA gets the shaft???

[tindriver72]

Rummors abound!!

CQ getting the Saabs Back? All because we defended our right to keep our crappy pay??? No pref hiring with CQ? What happened to the "Don't vote on concessions guys!!! Don't get in the way of our TA!!! We Have to stop Republic, they'll take our jobs!!!" Well, you got em!!! And ours.

 

[embraerjetpilot]

Who said that Chq is getting the saabs back and that the sa pilots werent included in the deal? No body knows specifics yet...

 

[embraerjetpilot]

It could be said you had no right to take our jobs two years ago..

oh, but we dont fly for eagle and not one person has said that!

ha ha..

Sorry guys, couldnt resist.

 

[Cracker]

Hey Tindriver,

I understand your worries. Is Shuttle under Wexford or Republic Airways Holdings?

I posted the question "Was Shuttle going to get screwed with our TA?". Some of the responses noted that Shuttle is under Wexford, not Republic Airways Holdings. If that is correct CHQ shouldn't take any of Shuttle's jobs.

I'm still asking, but hopefully you guys and gals won't get screwed for sticking to your guns on the concessions.

 

[tindriver72]

As of right now, we are a Wexford company, not a Repulic company. Of course that in itself is indulging in a realm that I really know nothing about. It could be different...

 

[KingAirer]

Just a true question here, What benefit would it be to transfer the saabs back to CHQ? Why would they be able to make a profit using them when they said they couldnt 2 years ago. Also, now the wages will be even higher. Thoughts?

 

[lazy8s]

A little reality check!!

Shuttle is NOT part of CHQ!!!

Read that first line 3 times and then continue.

Shuttle is owned by Wexford Capital. As is CHQ, as was National (to a degree).

Wexford also has $$ in Midway.

They HAD $$$ in Frontier, however, F9 was sick of the Wexford way and bought their shares back (years ago).


The point is don't argue that SA is being screwed by anyone because of a fictious realtionship with CHQ. They DID get the old CHQ Saabs via WEX in a deal to prevent losses to WEX on Saab leases. That's it.

Again, SA is NOT part of CHQ.

Sorry folks............

Lazy8s

BTW: nothing against the SA guys, but it drives me nuts to hear that SA is this and that anytime it comes to issues with CHQ.......

 

[ALPO]

You guys have nothing to worry about, the Saabs will not go back to CHQ, the cost would be huge. You guys did the right thing, your still in buisness arn't you, how could you possibly work for cheaper then you do now, might as well get a job at Wall Mart. A line had to be drawn and you guys drew it, just as we did with our strike vote.
I consider SA pilots our brothers and I personaly will do anything to back you guys, we all need to stick together, don't let them divide and conquer!!

 

[Banana Hammock]

Relax, It's all good. We have a future.

 

[LearLove]

"Why would they be able to make a profit using them when they said they couldnt 2 years ago"

Take note that in this industry, what they say (i.e. management) hardly ever tells the whole truth or actual situation.

 

[tindriver72]

Re: A little reality check!!

Shuttle is NOT part of CHQ!!!

Read that first line 3 times and then continue.

Ok, Lazy, we don't have to be you. But explain then who is employed by our IT department, or who are our crew planners?

Nobody. We don't have those departments. All that work is done where?

All I'm saying is I feel that we may have been sold up a river. Not only by WEX, but by our management, and by the CHQ TA. Is there a Pref Hiring clause in your new TA? Was there one at some point? What happened to the "Stick together guys, we'll take care of you? You're our brothers in this!!"

Just my 1.8 cents. (10% less than I normally talk).

 

[TWAER]

Re: Re: A little reality check!!

What happened to the "Stick together guys, we'll take care of you? You're our brothers in this!!"



Man, are you getting a little ahead of yourself. We have not even seen the TA yet. What keeps Wex. from dumping flying from Rep. into SA's hands. It might all look good for CHQ now but we'll see how it all pans out in the future. I bet you guys wouldn't have any problem taking that flying now would you???????????

Relax and wait for the details to come out.

 

[Skull-One]

Agreed. There's nothing in there that says CHQ can't be whipsawed by SA a year from now.... SA doesn't appear to be part of RAH according to some on the Teamsters web site and thus, isn't covered under the scope.

 

[mckpickle]

Seems to me that all the plans that Wex had for Republic can be done using CHQ. Am I wrong?

 

[lazy8s]

Re: Re: A little reality check!!

Ok, Lazy, we don't have to be you. But explain then who is employed by our IT department, or who are our crew planners?

All I'm saying is I feel that we may have been sold up a river. Not only by WEX, but by our management, and by the CHQ TA. Is there a Pref Hiring clause in your new TA? Was there one at some point? What happened to the "Stick together guys, we'll take care of you? You're our brothers in this!!"

A few things:

1. I have yet to see any evdidence that Crew planning does anything other than CHQ. (If I ever do see that, I'll be happy to retract)

2. I personally have never said that "You're our brothers in this.." There are some at CHQ that feel that SA belongs on an integrated list. My opinion is that if that were the case, then bring on Midway and National as well.

Finally (and most importantly) I DO NOT discount SA at all. Everyone I've met at SA has been great but CHQ can not go walk the picket line with a half cocked notion that guys from another airline need to be working for us.

Think about that logically, would you walk during negotiations because say, "Carolina Air"(fictious) was owned by the same Capital Finance Company????

That's all I'm saying...

I don't feel that anyone is being sold out by the pilot group at CHQ.

Lazy8s

 

[lazy8s]

Seems to me that all the plans that Wex had for Republic can be done using CHQ. Am I wrong?

That is exactly right, that was the our point with wanting to kill RP. There can still be a RP Air to fly business that can not be flown by CHQ contractually for non-compete reasons. However, J4J was voted in and the flying can all be done by one list.

Lazy8s

 

[the turtle]

It's interesting that you bring up Midway...according to published reports, Midway has until Sept 23rd to have an exit plan acceptable to their BK judge. Just wondering, since Wex has capital invested (BEHIND U, it's important to add), do you CHQ fellas see Wex letting Midway fall since the new TA allows for CHQ/Republic growth? DCA ops has said that Midway will cease ops on the 24th. How does Midway with thier CRJ fleet work with CHQ? Do you guys even care? Seems the Midway guys can't catch a break!

 

[saab340]

Lazy8

In fact Chq does do crew planning for SA and a few other things the planes our lease to SA through Chq also the Hanger is lease to SA through Chq and payroll is done at Chq.

 

[dav8or]

Re: A little reality check!!

Shuttle is NOT part of CHQ!!!

Read that first line 3 times and then continue.

Shuttle is owned by Wexford Capital. As is CHQ, as was National (to a degree).

Wexford also has $$ in Midway.

They HAD $$$ in Frontier, however, F9 was sick of the Wexford way and bought their shares back (years ago).

Shuttle is closer to us than you think. If we are not brothers then we dam* sure are cousins. They fly the same pos Saab we did, some of our guys are still there after the 9/11 firing and SA is basicly a scape goat for our leases. I think SA was designed to fail just to get us out of the leases and make us look better if and when we go public. At the least we owe them a side letter with hiring rights. They made a stand and that show what type of character they have. Remember you were not too many numbers away from being there yourself. They're teamster and they should be welcome at CHQ if anything happens to SA because of thier vote.

 

[I.P. Freley]

I do find it a little bit more than interesting that the CHQ TA (at least that which has been put on flightinfo) says something along the lines of "all flying for RAH will by done by the CHQ seniority list". It's already been pointed out that SA is not an RAH company... So theoretically SA could become Republic. By what method I could only guess (Sale of the certificate? Name change? Royal blessing from Queen Elizabeth?), but it IS a possibility... And it appears that this is just about the only silver lining in what appears to be a very, very dark cloud around these parts right now.

If one is to believe the crew room gossip, we are going to be disappearing at the end of October if USAirways doesn't renegotiate our deal and give us more money. I find it hard to believe that USAirways would so easily give up on us, especially since as recently as August we are the #1 performing Express prop operator in the whole system when you look at on-time and completion factor. Whom would replace us on such short notice? Presumably this has been allowed for, as I doubt USAirways assumes that we will continue, and some contingency plan is already in place should we pull out of the system in six or seven weeks, but it seems likely that they would want us to continue since our numbers are so good... At least for the short term.

So... I am not so sure that I believe the late-October shut-down theory, but I also don't believe we are in the long-term plan for USAirways (and by long-term I mean beyond the next 12 months).

So what is to come of us? Believe me, I wish I knew, or at least had an inkling. It is truly maddening to not know what to expect even in the near-term. More crew-room gossip suggests that an announcement is forthcoming from the front office sometime next week, and I do in fact believe THAT since we haven't seen any official company response to the result of the vote. I hope the response is definitive enough for me to figure out whether or not it's really time to look for another job.