Rush Limbaugh

[Timebuilder]

Have fun.

I have more than fun. I have a whole bunch of experience as a really left wing liberal type, and I can tell you that there are some very creative approaches in the area of "spirit" which are contrary to His word.

You can read some of my old posts on this, or you can feel nutty.

 

[N2264J]

Re: Rush to judgement

Oh, I'm pretty sure we know..........

Who was the "friend" of Monica Lewinski, who had the famous semen stained blue dress for a while hidden in her closet?

Stand easy Marine.

That's who I thought of first but it didn't add up. Monica and Bill didn't do anything illegal as Tony asserted. Adultery may offend your sensibilities but it isn't illegal. Linda Tripp was trying to provide evidence of a tryst to her right wing operatives and in the process, broke a state law about taping conversations without the subject's knowledge. In my opinion, it was none of our business anyway. The Clinton affair was between Bill, Hillary, Chelsea and Monica and that's where it should have stayed.

Clinton lied about it afterward under oath and that was illegal
but in the scheme of things, I don't think what he did was as egregious as say, misleading the country about yellow cake and weapons of mass destruction then launching a war that is getting our fine troops slaughtered almost daily. The nuclear weapons the administration used to justify the war in Iraq were found but unfortunately for Bush's preemption doctrine, they were all in North Korea.

Michael Moore said that Clinton was the best Republican president we've ever had and I agree with him. But I knew he was in trouble when Rush Limbaugh and Newt Gingrich accused him of "stealing Republican ideas." In the world of politics where compromise is the norm, that sounds odd doesn't it? Clinton was accused of stealing Republican ideas. Instead of being embraced by Republicans as a centrist they could work with, Limbaugh and Gingrich were on the radio shouting about how he was stealing Republican ideas. It had the effect of polarizing the nation and I think the country suffered for it.

There's plenty of political scandel to go around but to me, Clinton's problem doesn't compare to the Reagan administration laundering money and selling arms to terrorists. Millions of taxpayer dollars were spent investigating Travelgate, Filegate, Vince Foster's suicide, Whitewater, Hillary's cattle futures, Jerry Falwell talking about all the bodies buried around Arkansas the Clinton's murdered while moving drugs through Mena. The net result: zero. And the so called "liberal media" Limbaugh is always whining about was all too eager to pile it on the so called liberal president giving this slander legs. The only thing that stuck was that Clinton lied about having an affair just like half the married men in this country and some conservative congressmen on the hill including Newt Gingrich. So what? I don't care. This country was in pretty good shape when he left Washington and I miss him.

If Hillary runs, I'll vote for her. Maybe she'll have better luck with her health care plan this time. Socialized medicine served me well during my 21 years in the Navy and I'd like to see that benefit in the civilian community like every other civilized industrial nation on the planet. And, oh by the way, for Thrust Master's benefit, it was the Clinton military that kicked ass in Afghanistan and Iraq. The 36% decrease in military spending was due to the end Soviet Union and the cold war.

Ah yes, the Republican airline pilot. What an anomaly that defies my understanding. Let the flaming begin.

 

[Anti-Matter]

Re: What Ever?

I got out of the military because of the liberal's
like CLINTON. I'm proud to say I'm severing again
under a Commander and Chief like Bush.
The only reason it took America so long to Kick
some A$$ was because it took Bush to re-build
our military. Clinton cut our defense buget by 36%.
You don't here that in the news.
Nor do you here Bush complaining about it. He's
doing what is neccessary.

LT. Col. Thrust Master

I'm glad you are "severing" under His Royal Highness King George II.

A quote from Al Franken's latest book (a good read for the "fair and balanced" but sure to make a die-hard conservative apoplectic

"Nine months after Bush took office, we went to war against the Taliban regime in Afghanistan. The Soviets couldn't conquer Afghanistan. Niether could the British in 1919. But somehow, we did it in a few weeks. With no new funding (the first Bush defense budget went into effect on October 1, 2002) Donald Rumsfeld had taken our "gutted" military and, with a little string and some baling wire, turned it into the greatest fighting force in the history of the planet"

Another great quote:
"A commander in chief leads the military built by those who came before him. There is little that he or his defense secretary can do to improve the force they have to deploy. It is all the work of the previous administrations. Decisions made today shape the force of tomorrow ... And when that war (the first Gulf War) ended, the first thing I did was to place a call to California, and say thank you President Ronald Reagan."
-- Dick Cheney, the Southern Center for International Studies, August 2000.

When do you suppose Cheney is going to get around to thanking Clinton?

 

[Typhoon1244]

Re: Re: What Ever?

When do you suppose Cheney is going to get around to thanking Clinton?

Now you've done it!

Take cover!!!

 

[SDF2BUF2MCO]

Re: Re: Rush to judgement

Stand easy Marine.

Adultery may offend your sensibilities but it isn't illegal. In my opinion, it was none of our business anyway. The Clinton affair was between Bill, Hillary, Chelsea and Monica and that's where it should have stayed.


Ah yes, the Republican airline pilot. What an anomaly that defies my understanding. Let the flaming begin.

OK. What if GWB had done the same? Would you be at peace with it? When a person willfully cheats (I realize Bill was probably overwhelmed by Monica's charm so it was out of a heat of passion and she's probably the only other woman he's ever been with) on their spouse the majority of time they'll also cheat in other areas of their life. But hey it only involved two consenting "adults" right? I doubt if Chelsea wears her old man's fooling around as a badge of honor.

And you probably think the Republicans are the kool-aid drinkers?!
How have the Dems helped labor? It was Ted Kennedy and some of his fellow Dems (Maxine Waters, et.al.) who started deregulation of the airline biz. Both parties are anti-labor just in different areas.

 

[SDF2BUF2MCO]

Re: Re: What Ever?

I'm glad you are "severing" under His Royal Highness King George II.

A quote from Al Franken's latest book (a good read for the "fair and balanced" but sure to make a die-hard conservative apoplectic

"Nine months after Bush took office, we went to war against the Taliban regime in Afghanistan. The Soviets couldn't conquer Afghanistan. Niether could the British in 1919. But somehow, we did it in a few weeks. With no new funding (the first Bush defense budget went into effect on October 1, 2002) Donald Rumsfeld had taken our "gutted" military and, with a little string and some baling wire, turned it into the greatest fighting force in the history of the planet"

Another great quote:
"A commander in chief leads the military built by those who came before him. There is little that he or his defense secretary can do to improve the force they have to deploy. It is all the work of the previous administrations. Decisions made today shape the force of tomorrow ... And when that war (the first Gulf War) ended, the first thing I did was to place a call to California, and say thank you President Ronald Reagan."
-- Dick Cheney, the Southern Center for International Studies, August 2000.

When do you suppose Cheney is going to get around to thanking Clinton?

Thank you for proving my point when it is your "team" you'll say and do anything to attempt to justify their actions. Distain Rush Limbaugh but embrace Al Franken? I guess only the Republicans have blinders on right?
Think both parties need to be looked at with a critical eye since both are a den of thieves and are addicted to half truths.

 

[House_X]

Re: Re: What Ever?

I'm glad you are "severing" under His Royal Highness King George II.

A quote from Al Franken's latest book (a good read for the "fair and balanced" but sure to make a die-hard conservative apoplectic

"Nine months after Bush took office, we went to war against the Taliban regime in Afghanistan. The Soviets couldn't conquer Afghanistan. Niether could the British in 1919. But somehow, we did it in a few weeks. With no new funding (the first Bush defense budget went into effect on October 1, 2002) Donald Rumsfeld had taken our "gutted" military and, with a little string and some baling wire, turned it into the greatest fighting force in the history of the planet"

Another great quote:
"A commander in chief leads the military built by those who came before him. There is little that he or his defense secretary can do to improve the force they have to deploy. It is all the work of the previous administrations. Decisions made today shape the force of tomorrow ... And when that war (the first Gulf War) ended, the first thing I did was to place a call to California, and say thank you President Ronald Reagan."
-- Dick Cheney, the Southern Center for International Studies, August 2000.

When do you suppose Cheney is going to get around to thanking Clinton?

As usual...well said....

 

[Timebuilder]

That's who I thought of first but it didn't add up. Monica and Bill didn't do anything illegal as Tony asserted. Adultery may offend your sensibilities but it isn't illegal.

First, federal employment law prohibits this kind of activity in a federal building by civil servants. Second, as an intern, Monica was a de facto employee and Clinton was her "boss". So both the location of the acts and the acts themselves (sexual relations with an employee under his direct supervision) are illegal.

And yes, adultery IS still illegal, and it is still legal grounds for divorce.

We were successful in Afganistan in spite of the lack of funding of the military and intelligence groups under Clinton. Our Afganistan campaign is a testament to the ability of our military to do a lot with a little, our superior weaponry and technology, and the support of the American people. Their success in Iraq is very impressive, considering their difficult circumstances.

I guess Al Franken thinks it is witty to refer to this as "baling wire and string", but it only shows me that his best writing is behind him, and was served up by names like Ackroyd and Belushi.

I feel genuinely sorry for him.

 

[Typhoon1244]

I guess Al Franken thinks it is witty to refer to this as "baling wire and string", but it only shows me that his best writing is behind him, and was served up by names like Ackroyd and Belushi.

I feel genuinely sorry for him.

You're far from correct, T.B. Read the book. Unlike most of Rush's material, it has the virtue of being well researched and documented.

 

[Timebuilder]

If I had that much time to waste, I would then have to write an entire book documenting all of the opinions and assumptions that are really intentional lies on Al's part. See, I'm already familiar with the technique of mention a fact, provide some spin, mention another fact, make a leap in illogic, mention a fact, and duck an issue.

You have to remember, I used to live in that camp. I know the drill. That's why I find conservatism such a freshing change from all that BS I used to sling!

 

[Timebuilder]

opinions and assumptions that are really intentional lies on Al's part.

This is why I think the title of his book is absolutely brilliant. Who would better know about lies and liars than a lying democrat who tells them about others in his book?

Maybe it was a Freudian slip...

 

[414Flyer]

You're far from correct, T.B. Read the book. Unlike most of Rush's material, it has the virtue of being well researched and documented.

FAIR did some report, about inaccuracies in statements they attributed to Rush.

There was not a whole lot, considering how much time he is in the air, and how much he actually has said.

A good part of what FAIR disagreeed with, was not statements of fact by Rush, but matters of opinion. If Rush was so inaccurate, they should have found lots more.

I hope Al Franken does a better job at facts than Michael Moore does, even though I do think Franken is disgusting as a person, not funny, and has zero class. If he is the face of the Democratic party, well that does not speak well of a lot of the good Democrats out there, who do have some class and some decent ideas.

I dont care if I agreed with Franken, I wouldnt want him on my side.

 

[414Flyer]

You can attribute whatever you want to Clinton. You can give him credit for every piece of hardware, plane and ship if you want, (even though the average age of aircraft is somewhere around 20 years or more). I dont care....

Its just there is more to the military than hardware. Without motivated and highly trained people, it is just useless metal sitting somewhere.

Without sound leadership and goals from the top, its all useless too. Clinton did not care much for the military, and it showed.
Morale was not exactly spectacular under him, nor did many in the military have respect for him, when he was doing things that would and did cost careers in the military, if you had done the same thing. No Democrat or Republican President has ever tried to hide under the Soldiers and Sailors Act, but him.

When he did employ it, it tended to be in a halfass manner, to "send a message", or a half hearted attempt at something in the most risk averse manner possible.

Even if the funding level had been unchanged from Bush to Clinton, there is a world of difference in morale and how military operations are conducted.

 

[Timebuilder]

Without sound leadership and goals from the top, its all useless too. Clinton did not care much for the military, and it showed.

I wish every American knew what so many in our military thought of our former president. As soldiers, they are enjoined from speaking publically about Clinton. Rest assured the entire tone has improved almost immeasurably under Bush.

 

[bart]

As a former special operations officer that resigned after Clinton's cowardly retreat in Somalia, anyone who thinks that Clinton did anything good for the military is living in a fantasy world. He was and is a childish, self-serving, coward that "bravely turned his tail and fled when danger reared its ugly head".

Any statement to the contrary is an outright lie.

 

[N2264J]

That's a bit of a reach, isn't it?

First, federal employment law prohibits this kind of activity in a federal building by civil servants. Second, as an intern, Monica was a de facto employee and Clinton was her "boss". So both the location of the acts and the acts themselves (sexual relations with an employee under his direct supervision) are illegal.

Surely against policy, not exercizing good judgement maybe, but not illegal.

And yes, adultery IS still illegal, and it is still legal grounds for divorce.

Yeah, in the Muslim world. Females, never the man, still get stoned to death for adulterey today. They bury the woman up to her neck, put a bag over her head and then several men throw rocks at the bag until she is quite dead. That must be painful but in Allah's eyes, probably the right thing to do.

Meanwhile, back here in civilized society, being grounds for divorce does not make it illegal. Because someone does not keep their marriage vows is justification enough to dissolve the state recognized legal contract of marriage but if it is "illegal" in this country as you say, what's the punishment?
A fine? Community service? Imprisonment?

You may lose your job for violating company policy by having sex in the office but characterizing it as illegal is a bit of a stretch.

 

[AeroBoy]

That's why I find conservatism such a freshing change from all that BS I used to sling!

<In Dr. Evil Voice> Riiiight. Just keep looking in the mirror and telling yourself that.


Fact is, both sides sling BS. It's just a matter of who's throwing more at any given time. Right now, King George II's pile is bigger...

 

[Typhoon1244]

What was this thread about again?

 

[Timebuilder]

Yeah, in the Muslim world.

Adultery is still illegal in the US. Check your facts.

 

[Typhoon1244]

Check your facts.

...like Rush does.