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storminpilot

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Rumor out West is that JO is positoning himself to INVEST in AMWest. I guess USAirways is a "lost" cause for Mesa Investment since all the "plums" have been picked by AirWis and Republic.

In return, JO gets a Board seat or two and more control. The number being tossed around is $100 million.

Anyone else hear that?

The Regionals are propping up the Majors. What a business.
 
jo's been waving that 100 million at usair,delta, anybody that would take it. he can't seem to buy flying.

DashCojones said:
WHere did you hear that? We haven't heard anything out here in PHX.
 
Hey,
1) Where is j.o. gonna get 100 mil? sell a few harleys?
2) Who in their right mind would do any kind of deal with him?
priceless
PBR
 
US Airways, AmWest deal?



Dawn Gilbertson
The Arizona Republic
Apr. 9, 2005 12:00 AM

[font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]America West Airlines CEO Doug Parker has repeatedly said the Tempe airline wants to be a player in the expected consolidation of the troubled industry.

One industry analyst said Friday that America West may have bankrupt US Airways in its sights.

JP Morgan airline analyst Jamie Baker said in a report that there is "early speculation" on a proposed America West/US Airways "linkage." He provided no details. advertisement
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This is not the first time America West's name has come up as a possible partner for the struggling East Coast carrier, but Baker's wording and the fact that he included the speculation in his report seem to suggest it's more than just idle chatter.

America West spokeswoman Elise Eberwein reiterated Parker's comments that a shakeout is inevitable for the industry's long-term survival. But she said that at this point any talk of an America West deal with US Airways is "only speculation," and that the company does not comment on speculation. US Airways did not return calls for comment.

America West made a run at another struggling airline, ATA Airlines, late last year but decided against making a formal bid for the because it couldn't put together a deal that made financial sense. A big obstacle was the cost of acquiring the Indianapolis carrier's planes. ATA ended up in a deal with Southwest.

At the time of the America West-ATA talks, one analyst who was opposed to that deal said a merger with US Airways would make more sense.

A key attraction, observers say, is the marriage of America West's West Coast-heavy operations and US Airways' East Coast emphasis.

Given the industry's fuel price and airfare woes, however, most see more challenges than benefits to any significant deal at this stage.

The most immediate obstacle is money. America West and most other airlines are losing millions right now and need every penny for their operations. In the same report, Baker says America West will face a crash crunch by the end of the year. He said America West, which ended 2004 with unrestricted cash and investments of $306 million, could be down to as low as the $60 million range. It needs to raise a minimum of about $100 million, but Baker added it should be able to do that.

Robert Mann, an airline industry consultant in Port Washington, N.Y., said the economics don't seem right at this point. If anything, a code-sharing deal would seem to make more sense. Under code sharing, airlines link their networks and feed each other passengers. It enables them to increase their business without the added costs of new cities or the hefty expenses of a merger.

Another possible player in any deal could be Phoenix-based Mesa Air Group and its chairman, Jonathan Ornstein. Mesa is best known locally as America West Express, but it also flies as US Airways Express.

In the wake of recent large investments in US Airways by two of its other commuter partners, Mesa has said it is considering an investment in the airline. Mesa has about $300 million in cash.

Despite analyst reports this week suggesting Mesa is no longer a player on that front because of developments involving the other players, Ornstein said Friday the company still is considering ways to help US Airways return to profitability.[/font]
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I think Ornstein realizes that Mesa could get dumped once their contract is up. He figures it would be easier to loan some money rather than improve his product.
 
I'm going to break out a case of beer and celebrate the day when JO finally has to give up his [censored] way of doing business and actually put out a product. By then it will be too late, because everyone will know the Mesa standard and not want to associate with it.

JO realizes the only way to keep his airline afloat for the long term is to pay people off. Hilarious.
 
JO has ~3x that much money sitting around. With his multi million dollar bonus he'll be able to buy 500 or more Harleys and still be ahead too!
 
didn't JO already invest $125million in Cactus in the 90's??!?!?!?!

JO is the anti-Christ.
 
Look at the bright side. The USAirways merger is much more likely. With that happening, Mesa may be bumped out of the deal altogether.
 
Dave Benjamin said:
He figures it would be easier to loan some money rather than improve his product.

FYI: Here are Mesa's #'s in the AWA system for March.

America West Express

Controllable Completion: 99.64% Total Completion: 99.19%

Pretty good if you ask me. How much better do we need to do to make you happy? -Bean
 
Beantown said:
FYI: Here are Mesa's #'s in the AWA system for March.

America West Express

Controllable Completion: 99.64% Total Completion: 99.19%

Pretty good if you ask me. How much better do we need to do to make you happy? -Bean

How about 100%?? It still will not redeem the infamous name---MESA!!!
 
Hmmmm....HP hates YV...end of story. The day JO gets a seat at HP is the day that the, nevermind. Someone already smashed into the WTC. I think that the investments at US Air are for rights for their liquidation. JO has the cash, he is the highest paid airline CEO out there right now at 4 mil/year. Beantown...give it time my friend. Those numbers don't mean anything about your performance. At least last I checked and according to ALPA contracts pilots (or anyone with a CBA) had very little contributions towards those numbers. Just ask MGT, I'm sure they will tell you. OK maybe they will, but what do you want to see? How about more time off, better security, and a little extra cash in your pocket. That is what really talks via your CBA and I don't think the Mesa CBA is reflecting those numbers. I digressed. Sorry.

-W-
 
white E said:
Hmmmm....HP hates YV...end of story. The day JO gets a seat at HP is the day that the, nevermind. Someone already smashed into the WTC. I think that the investments at US Air are for rights for their liquidation. JO has the cash, he is the highest paid airline CEO out there right now at 4 mil/year. Beantown...give it time my friend. Those numbers don't mean anything about your performance. At least last I checked and according to ALPA contracts pilots (or anyone with a CBA) had very little contributions towards those numbers. Just ask MGT, I'm sure they will tell you. OK maybe they will, but what do you want to see? How about more time off, better security, and a little extra cash in your pocket. That is what really talks via your CBA and I don't think the Mesa CBA is reflecting those numbers. I digressed. Sorry.

-W-

I have no idea what HP thinks of Mesa, I have never talked to anyone in there senior leadership group. I do know that we are there only regional airline (they do have a choice you know) so my GUESS is the relationship isn't nearly as bad as your read on this board.

As far as your analysis of our perfromance and our contract you lost me. I never said we have a good contract or that I don't want a couple more days off (3 on 4 off last bid). I showed (called FACTS, something hard to come by on this site) that our performance is getting better and last month was on par with the best airlines out there. Thats it. See ya. -Bean
 

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