Rough numbers from each proposal

[FDJ2]

72% of your "widebodys" pay the same as the 757.

Which pays the same as the A330. So should we take away your A330s because they pay 757 rates?

So, take away the 80 767's that pay the same as the 757, and you actually only bring 31 widebodies to the table, pay wise Not that many if you ask me.

The 767ER is a wide bodied aircraft that pays the same as the A330, flies to to more continents then the A330 and has longer routes than the A330 , we bring 111 wide bodied aircraft to the party.

You can't propose a list based on pay then try to say that the 767 is different than a 757 even though the pay is the same. Although yourself and bi-polar boy will try.

Your not paying attention. DALPA didn't propose a list based only on pay, if we had the overwhelming majority of NWA pilots would be be stapled under the MD-88. DALPA proposed a list based on comparable categories and status. We didn't take into consideration that our 777s pay more than your 747s or that our 737s pay more than your 757s.

 

[FDJ2]

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125.52, you were only off by 30%.

Your DC-9 captains only make $125.52? That's about as much as a DAL 767-400 first officer. No wonder your MEC said that if DALPA didn't bring you up to DALPA pay rates you'd be at a "B" scale.

 

[PuffDriver]

It was possible under regulation...Under deregulation the hub and spoke system required feed.....

Pan Am didn't have the domestic feed for it's international "big planes".....

Are you implying that a Delta or UAL could survive with just "big airplanes"?

Nope, but it doesn't matter who feeds Delta's big airplanes. There are many feeders out there who would salivate at doing such feeding. Your lack of reality grasp is not out problem. We are where we are. It is simply not possible, from a standpoint of risk, for Delta to do all of its own flying. Much too much of an "eggs in one basket" thing. Delta and its pilots control the feeder flying anyway via their negotiated contract. The trick is going to be recapturing this flying, and it is off to a good start with the Compass and Mesaba deals already inked. It is my opinion, and I think extremely viable, that this will be the wave of the future. Separate agreements with 100% flow. Kind of a farm club moving up to the big leagues sort of thing. It's a win win for everyone involved. Job security via flow back addresses majors concerns. Advancement, pay opportunity, addresses concerns of younger aviators. Fins, I understand you and ACL concerns regarding all flying done by Delta pilots. Find me a way to convince 11,998 other pilots to walk off their jobs for it and you win. Also, you have to find a way to convince Delta that it is in their best economic interest--akin to keeping flight attendants from unionizing. The way I described seems to be where we are headed long term, seems to be palatable for Delta, and seems to be palatable for the cooperating carriers. The fact it leaves Merchant out is just one of the perks.:nuts:

 

[Fubijaakr]

Hey DOH is a possibility, just a very slim one.

I don't think so. DoH isn't in ALPA merger policy. And even if one of these participants wasn't ALPA, DoH isn't in Allegheny-Mohawk either.

And that's the law of the land, now.

 

[Fubijaakr]

I think he answered your question in the affirmative and stated the reason why.

I'll ask you, If we merge with Alaska, should they get DOH on NWA equipment?

Absolutely! LOL! In fact, we should get DoH SYSTEMWIDE!

:bomb: :smash: :uzi:

 

[nwaredtail]

General,

With all due respect, and I assume you're a smart guy, Redtail says he's on the DC9 as a Captain, not a F/O on a widebody. That's not making fun, there's nothing to make fun of, unless you're an idiot!
Captains are higher up on the food chain. Due to the greater responsibility required and the increased compensation, it's more than being just a widebody F/O. just checking off waypoints on a flight plan.

How long have you been doing this ? You're answers really surprise me...

Can't you just picture the General, on a long flight, pissing off Captain number one because he's a know it all and then Captain number 2 comes in to the same never ending dissertation of his "knowledge".

"I could be a Captain", "I have the inside gouge", "My wife has a great job", "I'm an FO because of the lifestyle". I am sure he spends many a layover alone.

 

[General Lee]

General,

With all due respect, and I assume you're a smart guy, Redtail says he's on the DC9 as a Captain, not a F/O on a widebody. That's not making fun, there's nothing to make fun of, unless you're an idiot!
Captains are higher up on the food chain. Due to the greater responsibility required and the increased compensation, it's more than being just a widebody F/O. just checking off waypoints on a flight plan.

How long have you been doing this ? You're answers really surprise me...

They do? Just because I choose QOL right now over an upgrade on something I don't really want to fly? I would prefer to fly the 738 (I was an FO on it), and I enjoy being a line holder. I can't do that in ATL just yet. I could do it in LA, on the 738 or the 767 (barely). I would rather fly out of my home base, it is a lot easier. And, I don't consider the DC9 anything special. If you do, great. I don't. I was a 727 FE way back when, and that is all I want to do with old technology. If you like going to Bismark and Flint, go for it. I don't. I was a Captain on an E120 for a few years, and that was great, but I don't have to be a Captain to feel good. Been there already. And how long have I been a pilot? For a long while, and at Delta since '96.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Can't you just picture the General, on a long flight, pissing off Captain number one because he's a know it all and then Captain number 2 comes in to the same never ending dissertation of his "knowledge".

"I could be a Captain", "I have the inside gouge", "My wife has a great job", "I'm an FO because of the lifestyle". I am sure he spends many a layover alone.

I am the life of the party. We always have fun, and I do have a lot of "gouge." Most appreciate it. And, my wife has come down to Rio with me a couple times, and to Europe too. Good times. Do you take your wife on your trips?


Bye Bye--General Lee