RJDC update (4/4/04) part 1

[XRMEFLYER]

Another expert who has it all figured out!

 

[ALCOHOLIC]

What is your solution wise guy. Tell me exactly what you want and how it will help the industry as a whole.

 

[100LL... Again!]

There are many of us that either do not want to work for a moajr, or think our chances of getting hired there are slim due to not many years left in the business.

I understand your position General, but do you really expect many others to fall on their swords for a chance of making it to mainline? And what of those with no college degree (I have one, so don't assume)? Should they just realize their inferiority and roll over to the mainline MEC?

Either we are all a REAL team, or it is every man for himself.

Personally, in an ideal world, I prefer the former.

Human beings have taught me to expect and accept the latter.

Fight against them if you disagree, but to try and convince them to 'take on for the team' is getting old.

I'm in this business for me. I will try my best not to harm someone else's position. I will not be unethical, even if it costs me my career.

However, I will not refuse to take a postion that furthers my career just because it might take a job away from someone else.

Life is a competition, not a brotherhood, and to pretend otherwise is just not facing reality.

 

[XRMEFLYER]

Here Here!

 

[XRMEFLYER]

What is your solution wise guy. Tell me exactly what you want and how it will help the industry as a whole.

I want what is best for me and my family. As for the rest of the industry and what is best for it, unlike many here I would not presume to know.

 

[ALCOHOLIC]

So your airline growing at others expense.. I thought that is what you wanted. I hope I never hear you bitching about Mesa.

 

[General Lee]

X-ream-me,

I think you should be in the next RAMBO movie. Do you have long hair and big muscles? Can you shoot a big machine gun? Perfect. A one man comando to the end!

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Capt. Caucasian]

Oh my frickin God!!!!!!!!!!!

I can't believe what I am hearing from some of you RJDC guys. Words like "it's all about me" is the stuff SCABs are made of. Yup, I said it. That is exactly the mentality that caused so many to cross the picket line at Continental back 1983-85. I have to deal with these CAL SCABs almost everday at work. Us CALEX guys (yes I am a "regional" pilot) have learned to recognize behavior that is destructive to the profession because we see it all the time at CAL.

I wish as most of the CALEX pilots do that CAL scopes the ever livin bejesus out of us. In fact, we are trying to help them do it. We understand that the only way to keep the wages up in this profession is to keep the high paying job, not to transfer them to an RJ. Sheesh

Also, it is the Dleta pilots flying. They can protect it as much as they want. DCI only exists to feed Delta. Without a Delta mainline, there will be no DCI. The 50-70 RJ economics do not permit them to operate on their own, just ask ACA.

Think long term folks. I swear that I will kick any one's a s s that threatens my profession .

 

[On Your Six]

Why are Comair pilots paid more than MESA pilots flying the same equipment and the same hours? I still can't understand why Comair and ASA pilots are so confident of their own situations while their parent company is in distress?

Why should Delta continue to grow the flying for ASA or Comair when it can instead outsource more flying to airlines paying MESA level wages like CHQ or Skyway?

Extreme Flyer, explain to me what you would do if you were DAL management - would you continue to expand Comair flying at Comair wages when CHQ or Skyway could do the same for cheaper? A CRJ is a CRJ is a CRJ. I am tired of hearing how Comair and ASA pilots are "entitled" to industry leading regional wages when their parent company is faltering....

By the way, Grinstein does not like RJs - don't expect a lot of growth going forward...

 

[ALCOHOLIC]

Capt Caucasian...


My thoughts exactly...

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

six
it's called contract negotiations. tell me where 'entitled' comes in anywhere.

 

[XRMEFLYER]

I think you should be in the next RAMBO movie. Do you have long hair and big muscles? Can you shoot a big machine gun? Perfect. A one man comando to the end!

Private Lee Since the movies are all you know of the military I can see how you think in those terms. Let me guess you probably tell yourself "I could have done that if I had wanted to." If it helps you to feel better about your own cowardice by denigrating and making pittiful attempts at minimizing those who have made that sacrifice, then by all means continue.

AL

So your airline growing at others expense.. I thought that is what you wanted. I hope I never hear you bitching about Mesa.

You won't so chill!

 

[XRMEFLYER]

Do you have long hair and big muscles? Can you shoot a big machine gun?

Why private you looking for a date?

 

[BlackCoffee]

Don't let six bother you. He's still pissed he had to fly the B-1 after the 15.

 

[TWA Dude]

Forgive me if I prefer not to hurl insults at anyone here, but The Big Picture seems to have been lost. This is about Airline Management vs. ALPA. Management usually wins because they ultimately control the jobs. ALPA made big strides in the years before 9/11 but (so far except for DAL) they've been rolled back. IMHO ALPA has completely botched-up the Small Jet issue and the inevitable result is the current in-fighting. I philosophically support the RJDC to the extent that ALPA National needs to be forced to deal with the issue in a way that doesn't exclusively favor the Majors. This appears to create a conflict of interest since the growth of small jets is currently at the expense of mainline jets, but remember that it's Management who chooses to grow the regionals over the majors; not ALPA. ALPA needs to formulate a comprehensive strategy to properly represent both small jet and mainline jets, especially with the EMB170/190s coming on line. When they do there won't be any need for an RJDC or pehaps even Scope clauses. I know it's a lot to ask for but that's why we pay dues to ALPA, isn't it?

Okay, y'all can go back to (inaccurately) calling each other scabs and thieves and ignoring the real enemies.

Dude