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PCL_128

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I just finished reading the entire ruling from Judge Leo Glasser on the RJDC case. Dispite the propaganda that the RJDC is spreading, this was not a huge victory for them.

This excerpt is especially noteworthy:

Conclusion: For the foregoing reasons, the motion to dismiss is denied as to Claim I and granted as to all other claims.

You may be asking: what are the different claims? Claim I deals with the DFR claim. The proposed relief would require DALPA to allow CMR and ASA reps to be present during all negotiations between DALPA and Delta. It would also stop ALPA from attempting to help the DAL MEC negotiate further scope language limiting Comair.

Claims II-X were all dismissed by the judge. These were the claims that asked for monetary compensation from ALPA.

What does all this mean? It means that even if the RJDC wins their lawsuit, they will receive no money from ALPA!!! All monetary claims were dismissed by the judge. Good luck finding any RJDC "Updates" that state that for you.
 
PCL_128 said:
I just finished reading the entire ruling from Judge Leo Glasser on the RJDC case. Dispite the propaganda that the RJDC is spreading, this was not a huge victory for them.

This excerpt is especially noteworthy:



You may be asking: what are the different claims? Claim I deals with the DFR claim. The proposed relief would require DALPA to allow CMR and ASA reps to be present during all negotiations between DALPA and Delta. It would also stop ALPA from attempting to help the DAL MEC negotiate further scope language limiting Comair.

Claims II-X were all dismissed by the judge. These were the claims that asked for monetary compensation from ALPA.

What does all this mean? It means that even if the RJDC wins their lawsuit, they will receive no money from ALPA!!! All monetary claims were dismissed by the judge. Good luck finding any RJDC "Updates" that state that for you.


Good luck finding anyone that doesn't think you're one of the biggest douchebags on this board!

What the "F" exactly is your problem??
 
PCL_128 said:
You may be asking: what are the different claims? Claim I deals with the DFR claim.

Claims II-X were all dismissed by the judge. These were the claims that asked for monetary compensation from ALPA.

What does all this mean? It means that even if the RJDC wins their lawsuit, they will receive no money from ALPA!!! All monetary claims were dismissed by the judge. Good luck finding any RJDC "Updates" that state that for you.
Like I've been saying all along, it is about the representation issue, not money. I have not verified what you have written, yet. But, even if you are correct, I'm very pleased with what the RJDC has accomplished.

ALPA now must answer discovery. There will be plenty to write about in RJDC updates.
 
acarpe3448 said:
I guess when the decesions don't go the RJDC way, the nasty name calling starts.

RJDC wins - 1
losses -9

The name calling certainly doesn't involve me losing anything. I don't have a dog in the RJDC battle one way or another, and I couldn't care less, it does not affect me, so therefore I have ignored all the RJDC threads for that very reason. I just think that PCL_128 has "issues", and he always seems compelled to to be the geek in the corner that points out everyone else despite his very apparent lack of knowledge and tenure in this profession, and a very questionable rationalization of things.

I just don't like him..... thats all.

Sorry for the commercial break, carry on with the RJDC banter.
 
ALPA cannot, in good faith, represent 100% of our interests and those of DALPA. Why can't you all get that through your thick skulls? We are talking about fair representation!
 
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So if that is all that it is about, why not just pull the plug on ALPA, sue for any remaining dues that you have paid, and then move on.
 
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PCL_128 said:
I just finished reading the entire ruling from Judge Leo Glasser on the RJDC case. Dispite the propaganda that the RJDC is spreading, this was not a huge victory for them.

This excerpt is especially noteworthy:
You may be asking: what are the different claims? Claim I deals with the DFR claim. The proposed relief would require DALPA to allow CMR and ASA reps to be present during all negotiations between DALPA and Delta. It would also stop ALPA from attempting to help the DAL MEC negotiate further scope language limiting Comair.

Claims II-X were all dismissed by the judge. These were the claims that asked for monetary compensation from ALPA.

What does all this mean? It means that even if the RJDC wins their lawsuit, they will receive no money from ALPA!!! All monetary claims were dismissed by the judge. Good luck finding any RJDC "Updates" that state that for you.

Not exactly sure which version of the ruling that you read, since I couldn't find any excerpt where the judge said You may be asking: what are the different claims? but let's clarify shall we.........

Claim II-III were DFR regarding state's labor laws, dismissed because they were the same as claim I and the judge did not feel that ALPA should have to worry about the varying laws of each of the 50 states. No monetary claim was made for these two counts.

Claims IV-IX were related to the RJDC claim that grievances filed to ALPA National were not responded to and that a hearing was not granted by ALPA National to discuss these grievances regarding the Delta CBA and it's impact on Comair flying. These were the only claims made for a monetary decision, just as if you filed a grievance against the company for contract violations you usually would ask for monetary compensation. The judge stated that the "broad ( his words) language of the ALPA by-laws and constitution preclude the claim that ALPA National had to convene a hearing to address the grievances brought forth by the RJDC. While the judge correctly ruled that ALPA National did not have the duty to convene the hearing board, I hope you take comfort in knowing that the union you pay dues to can arbitrarily decide if your grievance has merit and will entertain it only if they feel like it.

Claim X was in relation to the Labor Management Reporting and Disclosure Act (LMRDA). The RJDC offered no opposition to that claim being dismissed. IT was the claim that would have allowed Comair MEC to present at DALPA negotation meetings and vice versa. As this suit is not brought by any of the ASA pilots, your assertation that claim I would allow Comair and ASA to be present at DALPA negotations is completely wrong and leads me to believe you only read what the ALPA message board's Delta version of events. No monetary claim was made for claim X.

Interestingly enough the judge added a few of his own comments about this case, let me highlight one for you........Defendant's additonal argument (which is not entirely clear to the Court) is that the Delta CBA actually benefits Comair pilots........ p. 23 of the ruling.

You are concerned that the RJDC website won't give you the "facts" ( as you see them), conversely, why haven't we ever seen anything on the ALPA National home site that ALPA won this "huge" victory. After all we are kept updated to the minute when the Czech airline pilots ask for mutual assistance and when they cancelled their request.

PCL-- we all know where your loyalty lies, your avatar makes that abundantly clear, but if the judge isn't drinking Duane's kool-aid, why are you????

Just an aside for you PCL, since you are an ALPA web page devotee, more concerning to me and what should be to you, than the RJDC lawsuit, is Duane's "spooge-fest" that Dick Gephardt appeared before them. You PAC money and indirectly your dues will go to support a candidate that believes... “When I’m president, we’ll do executive orders to overcome any wrong thing the Supreme Court does tomorrow or any other day.”

Pardon my history lesson, perhaps you were taught the PC version in school, but the Supreme Court's job is to uphold the Constituion of the United States, not the President-- that would be a dictatorship.

Have a peace-filled day
 
acarpe3448 said:
RJDC wins - 1 losses -9
What are you basing that on? So far it is RJDC 1 / ALPA 0. The timing of ALPA's motion was based on political pressure and a reluctance to answer discovery that is anticipated to be very damaging to ALPA (and which may spawn additional claims against the union). Further the Judge's suggestion that this be brought as a class action, does not bode well for ALPA.

This was a significant ruling. Even more so when you consider the standard being used to define "harm" is the pre contract 2000 scope. The scope which had Connection operating 105 seat airplanes.

ALPA's strategy to try to dismiss the case now was poorly timed. It gives them a loss early in the litigation, forces them into a corner on discovery and empowers the RJDC even more. But, that is what you get when you let the political whims run litigation instead of being dispassionate and logical.

Things will only get worse for ALPA until the realize they must follow the rules. It was a shame the US Air Express carriers were not this well organized - Jets for Jobs STOPS HERE!
 
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FL717 said:
Good luck finding anyone that doesn't think you're one of the biggest douchebags on this board!

What the "F" exactly is your problem??

Spoken like a typical RJDC asshole!
 

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