RJDC LITIGATION UPDATE November 7, 2006

[737 Pylt]

typical pilot trapped at a crappy airline with a crappy contract that alpa is responsible for, talk about drinking cool-aid

So how's that lawsuit working for you sport? Did you cash in all your $$Millions yet??

737

 

[PCL_128]

So how's that lawsuit working for you sport? Did you cash in all your $$Millions yet??

737

He can't be part of the silly lawsuit because he isn't even part of the union. He works for that wonderful airline that has a pilot group that will fly any size airplane for 50-seat wages. I'm sure he'd be really happy if the lawsuit was a success, though. After Dan and friends elimate scope, then Terrain Terrain and his non-union buddies can fly 767s for 50-seat wages.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

ALPA is a oranization run by people. Individuals make mistakes or have hidden agendas.

Catholic priest do wrong..is the whole church to be judged?

How about the Iraqi prison scandal? The entire Pentagon to blame?

 

[HA25]

I just love seeing these losers fall flat on their faces!

You have no idea how much..

 

[N2264J]

...ALPA verified no such thing. Do some research on your own and get informed...

http://www.rjdefense.com/2006/beebe_J4J_exrpts.pdf

 

[Sig]

Good luck, 2264J. The fact that ALPA failed PDT/ALG, and in some great measure intentionally misled us and engineered a situation that the union is inherently there to prevent escapes some people. Terrain might have gotten into a much better place- he doesn't have to pay 2% to an outside entity to help his company screw him over.

 

[PCL_128]

http://www.rjdefense.com/2006/beebe_J4J_exrpts.pdf

I've already read all of that, N2264J. It simply doesn't say what you and Dan would like it to say. Sorry, but your case is going down in flames. Thank God.

 

[737 Pylt]

http://www.rjdefense.com/2006/beebe_J4J_exrpts.pdf

Even someone with limited intelligence such as yourself can see that it won't say what you want it to say! Sorry to say that you, danno, and the rest of the circle jerk bunch are falling flat on your faces! I couldn't be happier!:smash:

737

The above references are about the rjdc lawsuit only and don't reflect my feeling toward CMR's pilot group as a whole!

 

[spinproof]

The real loser in all of this is the Comair pilots JCL still runs Comairs MEC ! Having just been re-elected!


Do think the words "recall" will be bantered around that pilot group!

http://www.rjdefense.com/2006/lawson_xscript.pdf

 

[N2264J]

I've already read all of that, N2264J. It simply doesn't say what you and Dan would like it to say.

Even someone with limited intelligence such as yourself can see that it won't say what you want it to say!

OK. Let's assume for a minute that the Allegheny and Piedmont pilots understood what they were told by ALPA about Jets for Jobs and the necessity for a consessionary agreement.

Tell us what you think it says.

http://www.rjdefense.com/2006/102806up.pdf

 

[737 Pylt]

The real loser in all of this is the Comair pilots JCL still runs Comairs MEC ! Having just been re-elected!


Do think the words "recall" will be bantered around that pilot group!

http://www.rjdefense.com/2006/lawson_xscript.pdf

Spinproof:
The ironoc part is that the 5 loudmouths on here are the unsilent majority in that lawsuit. Both their following (rjdc) and their lawsuit is falling miserably!

737

 

[spinproof]

Spinproof:
The ironoc part is that the 5 loudmouths on here are the unsilent majority in that lawsuit. Both their following (rjdc) and their lawsuit is falling miserably!

737

Failing??? I think we just heard the fat lady sing! JCL was the one of the people that encouraged DF in the first place! At least thats my understanding.

This deal will go on as long as the judge doesn't have anything else to do! ...or as Dandy Don would sing..."turn out the lights the partys over..."

 

[PCL_128]

OK. Let's assume for a minute that the Allegheny and Piedmont pilots understood what they were told by ALPA about Jets for Jobs and the necessity for a consessionary agreement.

Tell us what you think it says.

http://www.rjdefense.com/2006/102806up.pdf

Sorry, but I don't read your silly little updates.

Again, Captain Beebe's testimony speaks for itself. Anyone that reads it with an unbiased mind will see that the RJDC is trying desperately to spin something that can't be spun. I'm looking forward to this lawsuit being thrown out within the next year.

 

[((7))]

Beebe is a liar anyone with a miniscule brain could deduct that. Crawl back under your cubicle at ALPA National, PCL . It amazes me that this moron continus to defend ALPA National fanatically. I though the Hitler youth had disbanned? Quote some more useless babbling you idiot. Here's something you will not like. BEEBE is a LIAR. Get it MORON! Keep after the corrupt. Mr. Ford your doing a great job. The ALPA National "I can't recall liars" could be shareing a cell with a new buddy someday. I bet there memory would improve when "Tiny" has them bent over for a little "Caucus" session, without flight loss pay.

Fraternaly- ((7))

Got ALPA? Your kidding,hell no. I'm not a fool, but you must be if you buy that "I can't recall", memory ability.

 

[PCL_128]

I might be able to respond to your post if you had actually used something even remotely resembling the english language. Of course, it's no surprise that an RJDC supporter lacks basic spelling and grammar skills. Maybe you should spend less time reading Dan Ford's lies, and pick up a grade-school grammar textbook. Just a thought.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

ALPA isn't perfect. It has its faults, but it is the only representation we have. To shun ALPA is to sh!t where we eat.

Realistic expectations and the desire to make the place better than we found it is important...

 

[N2264J]

Sorry, but I don't read your silly little updates.
Again, Captain Beebe's testimony speaks for itself.

Well apparently, I'm too stupid to understand what Beebe's testimony actually means. Here's what I think happened - feel free to set me straight.

ALPA advised Allegheny and Piedmont that consessions were necessary and jets would only come to their property if they accepted Jets-for-Jobs. Otherwise, their out of date turbo prop airlines would wither on the vine.

Now to management, a dollar is a dollar and ALPA knows it. If the wholly owns take a $10 consession - guess what? - that's $10 that doesn't have to come out of the mainline contract. Are you starting to see a Duty of Fair Representation angle?

So here we have testimony from the former US Airways MEC Chairman and national ALPA officer saying that he knew jets weren't going to Allegheny or Piedmont but that information wasn't passed on the to the affected MECs while ALPA was trying to sell the Jets-for-Jobs scam. How does that square with the ALPA mantra of "...the MECs are autonomous" if ALPA is witholding pertinent information necessary for the affected MECs to make a decision about the welfare of their pilot group?

If I remember correctly, the Allegheny, Piedmont and PSA MECs all stood together at first to reject consessions/Jets-for-Jobs but were all told by ALPA that if one didn't agree, ALPA would simply shop the deal to the next US Airways Express carrier, they would get no jets, and their out of date turbo prop airline would wither on the vine. In other words, the US Airways Express carriers were being whipsawed by their own union! All in the name of putting mainline furloughees in their seats. Am I getting that right 737?

Since Allegheny, Piedmont and PSA pilots are all dues paying members to the union, DFR certainly seems like a concept worth exploring. Am I wrong?

 

[bvt1151]

But if Piedmont or Allegheny had done anything to stop the whipsaw from their own union, mainline ALPA pilots would have accused them of a "seniority-grab."

See how that works?

 

[737 Pylt]

In other words, the US Airways Express carriers were being whipsawed by their own union! All in the name of putting mainline furloughees in their seats. Am I getting that right 737?

Since you and your girls like to start all sentences with...."in other words."
You girls are like Baghdad Bob, and try to spin it any way you want. But since when have facts gotten in the way of you and Danno!? Oh yeah, facts got 9 out of 10 claims thrown out by Judge Glasser!:laugh: :laugh:
And as usual, NO, you're not getting it right!

Since Allegheny, Piedmont and PSA pilots are all dues paying members to the union, DFR certainly seems like a concept worth exploring. Am I wrong?

As usual, YES, you're wrong!

737

 

[~~~^~~~]

It is good that FDJ2 read the depositions and made note of the statements made by ALPA's representatives. It is important.

But also consider the statements ALPA's Counsel has made just this week while trying to secure access to Grinstein and the US Air Merger proposal.

Now ALPA is saying Comair is integrated into Delta's operations and will be directly effected by a US Air buyout. ALPA even took some swipes at SkyWest and ASA - involving us in Delta's integrated operation which is allegedly lousy because of ASA's performance.

Many are posting on this board that they think this suit will get dismissed once motions start. To the contrary, ALPA's contradictions in testimony guarantee there is a question of fact (just to figure out which of ALPA's own stories is the true version).

And the story gets a whole lot more interesting if US Air actually pulls this off because you have DFR claims made by another three wholly owned groups of ALPA members and current "jets for jobs" scope language which is probably the most egregious of ALPA's actions against their members at the express carriers.

This litigation is far from dead and is going from bad, to worse, to terrifying from ALPA's perspective. In my heart I feel bad for our union - this thing is getting really ugly and the contradictions in ALPA's positions are damming to their defense.

Seniority lists pilots with airplane losses related to the bargaining activities of their fiduciaries make a pre-formed list ideally suited to class action status.

 

[FDJ2]

To the contrary, ALPA's contradictions in testimony guarantee there is a question of fact (just to figure out which of ALPA's own stories is the true version).

Keep that hope alive Fins. If you believe that the key to the RJDC DFR lawsuit is whether or not someone testified that the routes and aircraft Comair flies are integrated with the DAL system then you have truly gone off the deep end. A DFR lawsuit needs two things:

1. That the unions actions were arbitrary, discrimanatory or in bad faith

and

2. That the unions actions caused harm.

CMR MEC officers have testified that none of the above has happened. That there was no harm to CMR pilots, that ALPA did not act in an arbitrary, discriminatory or bad faith manner. To the contrary, CMR MEC officers have made sworn statements that ALPA acted in a manner consistent with the C&BLs, that CMR pilots received fair and equal treatment.

The RJDC attorney's deposition of CMR MEC officers was disasterous for the RJDC and their attempt to eliminate scope.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Keep that hope alive Fins. If you believe that the key to the RJDC DFR lawsuit is whether or not someone testified that the routes and aircraft Comair flies are integrated with the DAL system then you have truly gone off the deep end. A DFR lawsuit needs two things:

1. That the unions actions were arbitrary, discrimanatory or in bad faith

and

2. That the unions actions caused harm.

CMR MEC officers have testified that none of the above has happened. That there was no harm to CMR pilots, that ALPA did not act in an arbitrary, discriminatory or bad faith manner. To the contrary, CMR MEC officers have made sworn statements that ALPA acted in a manner consistent with the C&BLs, that CMR pilots received fair and equal treatment.

The RJDC attorney's deposition of CMR MEC officers was disasterous for the RJDC and their attempt to eliminate scope.

If the RJDC wins the DFR lawsuit, can the Delta boyz counter sue saying they are now being violated via DFR?

 

[737 Pylt]

If the RJDC wins the DFR lawsuit, can the Delta boyz counter sue saying they are now being violated via DFR?

Yes, for no less than $1,000,000 per pilot and no less than $100,000,000 in punitive damages, from the rjdc!
But remember Rez, according to the girls on here from the rjdc, its not about the money! Its about having your career expectations managed. Those careers that have grown at the expense of every furloughed mainline pilots!

737

 

[FDJ2]

ALPA advised Allegheny and Piedmont........blah, blah, blah

I thought your lawsuit had to do with the DAL PWA and its effect on CMR pilots. Sounds like the RJDC found nothing in their discovery process if all you can talk about is your spin on sworn statements with regards to a PWA that has nothing to do with your case. Pathetic, bit expected.

 

[pianoman]

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