RFP Announced at DCI

[sabreliner]

Re: Staffing

I believe ASA staffs their a/c at 5 crews per, so 125 positions for Capt. and FO. Don't quote me on this though.

Sinca

The 5 per airplane is correct I believe. Remember though that you will upgrade 125 Captains for 25 airplanes, but have to hire 250 F/O's to fill the seats since you have 125 new seats plus the 125 that were vacated by the new Captains.

Good news for us, but bad news for CMR. Suck that they got left out. Their mgmt is bashing their union pretty hard right now, and I'm sure this has to do with that. No doubt though that unless something changes, DCI will use those airplanes and delivery positions to punish ASA pilots when we get to the rough part of our new contract.

 

[MedFlyer]

any thoughts on where we're gonna park them things?

That's why I'm still trying to figure out. I still can't figure out where they're going to fly all these planes either. I can see a small number of RJ's being needed for the BOS and JFK expansions, but beyond that I just don't see it. Maybe they'll start running RJ shuttle service between DFW and SLC?

If the economy is coming back, won't DL need to upgrade some routes to mainline, thereby freeing up some RJ's in the process for other routes?

Overall, I think this order is bad news for DL. It shows that DL management doesn't really want to be a competitive player going forward. What happens when JB launches JFK-SAV with an EMB190? Which do you think the customer will choose...a cramped CRJ or a roomier EMB190 with TV? The trend going forward is larger planes...not smaller. Apparently, DL management didn't get that memo.

I wonder when the next mainline DL plane will be delivered? Currently DL says 06, but I wouldn't be surprised if those are deferred.

 

[Sinca3]

Re: Re: Staffing

but have to hire 250 F/O's to fill the seats since you have 125 new seats plus the 125 that were vacated by the new Captains.

Good point Sabre! I hope guys don't get too overly excited about this announcement. Managment can and will your emotions to get pilots.....Especially during negotiations. I wouldn't put it past them to use this against the pilots when it is to their advantage.
Ciao

 

[anon]

I don't think Comair will be left out at all.

A lot of folks think that CMR will get all of the ACA Do-Jets.

 

[Tim47SIP]

ACA's routes

Someone will have to take over all of ACA's routes. My guess is that Comair will pick up those vacanceis and ASA will pick up the routes that Comair had to drop. I really dont think that Comair will aquire the DO jets, more likely replace them with current RJ's. Comair is best suited to take over the Boston route structure since they are already situated up in that area with MX bases, etc. We are also expanding out west and can see more routes into So. Cal and south west areas. Maybe another hub?

 

[FlyComAirJets]

Congrats to ASA for snagging the lion's share of the RFP. There was really no way that Comair could get any portion of the RFP because it would be seen as rewarding us for our reluctance to taking concessions. But if there really are no further growth opportunities, what other carrot can they dangle before us when they come back in a few months (or sooner) after the Delta pilots take concessions? Nothing like getting us fightin' mad, didn't management learn anything in 2001? Apparently not, long live the whipsaw!

 

[Cardenal]

I am happy for us, because we have been loyal, hard working employees looking out for all. We deserve it. And, it's the first good news we have had in a very long time.

The only thing I profoundly resent is those mo#$%^ers at CHQ getting more flying and aircraft instead of CMR.

 

[FreebirdGA]

First of all, the jets aren't on ASA property. Obviously Delta is punishing CMR for refusuing concessions. So the next likely event to occur from DCI to ASA is:

If ya'll don't agree to status quo we're gonna put the jets elsewhere. Bring it on!

Oh yeah...anyone see the nice bonuses for Delta management? Why doesn't the present CEO (grinstein?) ask those folks to NOT take the bonuses? Why not ask Ron Allen to give up some of the sweet deals he has? Why haven't the rest of Delta employees (besides DALPA) been asked for concessions? Why hasn't ASA requested other ASA employess (besides pilots, F/As,both union) to give it up?

It's gonna get nasty at ASA, and soon I'm afraid.

 

[g159av8tor]

It's the ASA part that confuses me.

So, during further contract negotiations, DAL can hold the keys to the shiny new CRJs over your collective bargaining heads and tempt you with proposed "growth" to get a contract with little furtherance in MGT's favor. Stick and carrot.

Tailwinds...

 

[wms]

ASA did not give in for these aircraft. If they want to take them away for bargaining power, let them. A pilot flies A to B whether there are 100 or 150 airplanes. Our lives don't change. We didn't cave to get them, and we won't cave to keep them. The fact is mgmt is hungrier for growth than we are, and have more to lose.

The memo at ASA said CA didn't get them because their bid wasn't competitive and because they already have 157 jets. They stood firm and are to be commended.

The memo also said 400 new pilots at ASA with 150 upgrades. With the misinformation about the basing of the 70 seaters, expect that things can change in the future.

 

[TWAER]

The only thing I profoundly resent is those mo#$%^ers at CHQ getting more flying and aircraft instead of CMR.

When are IDIOTS like you going to realize that us MOFO's at CHQ had nothing to do with any decisions that were made. We show up and fly the planes PERIOD!! How bout blaming the MOFO's at DAL for making the decision. Get a life...............

 

[AFELLOWAVIATOR]

O0H GEEEEZ... COME ON PEOPLE. IT WAS DECIDED LONG LONG AGO WHERE THESE PHANTON JETS WOULD GO. YOU ALL SOUND LIKE DCI ZOMBIES.

You should listen to your selves. You act like this was a "real' announcment or something. I think some of you have actually been "waiting" for this announcment as if it was real. ASA was told they needed to "give" to get jets. Well, the truth is they are getting 25 because it is their turn. We took the lions share the last couple of years, and in an effort to keep the two companies equal in size, they now get the lions share.

Fred Butt rell is full of s h it, and plaeeze tell me you people see it for what it is. Good greif.

 

[172driver]

TWAER,

I believe your pilot group did, in fact, make the decision to fly for lower wages than CMR. If you would've stood firm and demanded a competitive contract, DAL's decision would not have been so clear. As it stands, it was easy for them to justify giving them to the lowest bidder.

CMR pilots refused to drop their wages and work rules in exchange for these airplanes. CHQ pilots settled for much less than CMR was willing to accept, plain and simple. In fact, they even settled for less than the concessionary levels CMR was asked to accept.

That's where the hostility comes from, in case you're having a hard time understanding.

 

[StaySeated]

Same kaka, different dia

As "afellowaviator" stated, there was no decision made. Delta owns deliveries, and they just told some people where those deliveries are going to be...today. I can just see the negotiating table at ASA when compensation is being battled and I can already hear those useless mediators...

"You guys are getting 25 jets, do you want those to go to chq or comair or blah blah blah blah..."

The assault continues, and it is so predictable. I am suprised that they didn't throw a couple "jets" at coex to see if they could get a nibble from them.

 

[Corbon]

The only thing I profoundly resent is those mo#$%^ers at CHQ getting more flying and aircraft instead of CMR

You wanna suck on my nipple? Will that make baby feel better? While your undying loyalty for Comair is commendable, I seriously doubt you'd be singing the same tune if CMR got all the jets and ASA pulled the big goose egg out of the hat. Keep crying if it will make you feel better.