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BluDevAv8r said:
Flechas,

Are you aware of the tax advantages of putting as much money as possible into your 401k annually? Don't discount those tax advantages...they are huge. And if you can't break the standard deduction every year, it may be your only tax shield (other than the standard deduction).

-Neal

I' am not really aware. But I can't afford to put more money in my 401K. I'm barely making it. I have some credit card debt to pay (Some ratings and personal expenses during my CFI years) and I just started second year pay this month. As soos as I catch up with my debt I'll have to look more into it.

Andres
 
BluDevAv8r said:
Flechas,

Are you aware of the tax advantages of putting as much money as possible into your 401k annually? Don't discount those tax advantages...they are huge. And if you can't break the standard deduction every year, it may be your only tax shield (other than the standard deduction).

-Neal

those same tax advantages can be utilized in ira's...even better in a roth ira...401k's are good, their uses are many, but maxing out your 401k isnt always in your best interest
 
Flechas said:
I' am not really aware. But I can't afford to put more money in my 401K. I'm barely making it. I have some credit card debt to pay (Some ratings and personal expenses during my CFI years) and I just started second year pay this month. As soos as I catch up with my debt I'll have to look more into it.

Andres

Andres,

Go pick up a copy of "Automatic Millionaire." That book has some great lessons in personal finance. Well worth the few bucks.

-Neal
 
Rottie said:
those same tax advantages can be utilized in ira's...even better in a roth ira...401k's are good, their uses are many, but maxing out your 401k isnt always in your best interest

How is it better in a Roth IRA...given that it is after-tax dollars? Most guidance I have seen says to max out your 401k first...then max out a Roth if you can afford it.

-Neal
 
BluDevAv8r said:
Andres,

Go pick up a copy of "Automatic Millionaire." That book has some great lessons in personal finance. Well worth the few bucks.

-Neal

Thanks Neal, willdo that tomorrow, who's the author?
 
Neal,

This is the first time in a long time that I have had money left over at the end of the month. I'm going to move halfway across the country sometime in the next year or two, go back to making $8/hr for three months, move again, and then hopefully start the rest of my life. Since I have some relatively short term savings goals, and money to save (for once) I've been doing some somewhat serious studying about what to do with and how to save the leftover money.

So... What I've concluded is this: How much to save and what to do with it are dependent on your savings goals, age, and how close to retirement you are. I'm young; I'm saving for short term (moving, house purchase) and long term (retirement). I'm in a fairly low tax bracket now, compared to where I will be when I'm closer to retirement. Somebody closer to retirement has different goals than I do, and therefore they should invest/manage their money differently.

Let's start with me and where I'm at. Conventional wisdom states that I should fund my 401(k) to my company max and no more. Why? The company match is free money, and is essentially a 100% ROI. Guaranteed. Nothing can beat that. But here's the catch: Since my contribution is before taxes, I am opting NOT to pay taxes while I'm in the 17% bracket (or whatever it is I'm at). However, my withdrawls (or capital gains or whatever) will be taxed -- when I am more likely to be making more money and thus in a higher tax bracket. IOW, I am opting to NOT pay income taxes while I'm in the 17% bracket in exchange for paying taxes on a lot more money while I'm in the 50% bracket. The company match and compounding and hopeful growth will make up for the higher tax rate. However, anything put into a 401(k) beyond the company match is questionable, because I will be paying more taxes on it later at the expense of less taxes on it now.

So, let's look at the Roth IRA. My contributions are after taxes -- that means that I'm paying taxes on my contribution NOW, while I'm in the 17% bracket. Later on, when I'm in the 50% bracket, I pay nothing on my withdrawls.

For more on the tax thing... Money you put into the 401(k) and the Roth CAN be taken out early for emergencies, but there's a catch. Under most circumstances, early 401(k) withdrawls will hit you (or expose you) to a lot of tax consequences, such as income taxes and early withdrawl penalties. The principal of the Roth can be withdrawn at any time with no tax consequence.

Also, in regard to taxes: You talk about the tax break, but what are you trying to gain? For me (and most regional pilots in their early years), I get a deduction on student loan interest, a credit for going to school, and my medical benefits are pretax contributions. I'm not doing poorly at tax time, and in fact, usually get a fat check. Again, I'm in a lower tax bracket, so I just don't pay that much in taxes. Essentially, for every dollar I owe income taxes on now, I pay $0.17 in taxes. Later on, every dollar I owe taxes on I will pay $0.50 in taxes. It doesn't make sense to me to save that seventeen cents to pay fifty cents on it later. I'd rather pay the seventeen cents now than pay fifty cents later.
 
Flechas-

Start that 401K with the smallest percent that they'll allow. When I made peanuts in my first year I did 2%. Of course, 2% made no money but it did get me started in the plan so that the company match based on plan longevity would kick in. 2% really didn't cost me more than Uncle Sam took away.

Another good book to go along with Dookie's choice is Rich Dad, Poor Dad. Or you could go with my personal favorite, the Series 7 exam test prep. I figure, if my broker knows it so should I. Happy investing!
 
I would say stay healthy and plan on working until we are 70. Thats going to be the retirement we are going to come to know in the future. Retiring at 60 moving to scottsdale and playing golf is a thing in the past without any pensions. If we made more money in this profession yea we could max out 401K get some IRA's etc. but with the paycuts and cost of living going sky high, the retirement that we saw our grandparents have will be for the rich rich only.
 
viper548 said:
I'm not happy with my roth ira through ameritrade because i'm not that great at picking stocks and would rather leave it to people who know what they're doing. Any good suggestions on what to do with my roth to make it more like my 401k where I just pick some funds and put money in?

1) Index 500 fund
2) Some sort of "Target Retirement 20XX" fund which automatically changes the ratio between stocks, bonds, and a money market as you get closer to your retirement year. I know that at least Vanguard has this.
 
The accountant I use gave me this advice:

Spread your money around.

Take advantage of your 401k, open a Roth, you can open tax advantaged accounts for you kids (educational Roth???), real estate has historically been a good investment, etc.

His point was this: you don't know what tax rates will be in 30-40 years when you retire. You can hedge against the uncertainty of tax rates by putting away both pre-tax and post tax dollars, and various assets classes.
 
Here's what I have been doing and my financial advisor hasn't objected...

1. 401k contribution up to the max which company will match. That provides an automatic 50% return on investment.

2. Roth IRA.

3. Small contribution to a taxable mutual fund. It's a rainy day/strike fund which I have tapped twice to pay for a car and a new hot water heater.

4. Maximize remainder of 401k, if able.

5. Traditional IRA, if able.
 

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