Rest of MEC takes aim at RC4

[J32driver]

I think your real gripe is mgt makes too much money

Funny... seems your gripe is the pilot's make too much money

 

[lowecur]

Funny... seems your gripe is the pilot's make too much money

Actually, I could care less what pilots make. The key is that decisions need to made based upon the economics of the times.

 

[Boeingman]

Well, I've got Curly, and Larry complimenting each other on great posts. Perhaps Moe will show up soon.

I thought you were Moe. Could of fooled me. Besides, I didn't notice any of those that responded were named Curly and Larry.

what you fail to acknowledge is that two very high ranking pilot's have chastised this charade of a MEC.

So what? Disagreements happen all the time. In this case, they just aren't going in your favor.

You have 4 reps, because they represent the majority of pilots at UAIR, calling the shots on a 12 member council.

As according to ALPA C&BL. Reason being is they represent a numerically larger group of pilots. Really quite a simple situation, sorry for the confusion on your part.

They will not release the contract proposal to the general membership, because they know it would pass. In other words, they feel the membership (average age 53) is not savvy enough to understand the provisions of the contract they would be voting on. BS, they want the airline....gone. period, and if they release the contract to the general membership vote, they lose their control.

I think you’re really reaching (again) here. I believe they are not releasing it because of issues between the negotiating committee and the MEC. I believe another U pilot can better explain this. But I'm sure they have already given up with you.

With Freshwater and his ilk(including you two), it's all about making a statement at the expense of the company. In other words, to hell with what the majority wants.

Ilk? What a mature guy with the ability to have an intelligent conversation. I guess you just don’t like hearing an opposing point of view. Not surprising. Your pompous attitude to date with others is at best laughable. But do continue. Your insults and attempts to make a mockery of the situation and my thoughts only make you look like the idiot you have proven yourself to be over and over.

I’m curious as to why you do not answer valid questions in response to some of your more ignorant comments?

If Freshwater were so sure that he has enough of the membership to cause mortal job actions, he would release the contract for a vote. All Fred is doing is giving Lakefield more ammunition to get what he wants and more from the judge.

I see. So Lakefield is going to tell the judge about this situation and ALPA’s attorneys will reply that they are following the C&BL’s to the letter and the judge will ignore that? Sheesh, you’re a real intelligent guy. Are you getting your info from the same soothsayer that has been coming up with U transformation plan?

I also find it amazing that pilots love to sit on the sidelines and criticize mgt.

Not hard to do with all the colossal f*ck ups going on over there perpetrated by management. Again, awfully sensitive about management critisism. If you don't like it, may I suggest another board for you to spew your rehtoric on?
You will find little sympathy, especially among the U types for the rape and pillaging that has taken place to date over there. Or are you a benefactor of those sweetheart deals?

Just what makes you think that you're smart enough to turn around the legacy carriers that are all in trouble at this point.

I’m not the one claiming I have any answers. You’re the one throwing asinine ideas about. Besides, I’m not paid to do that.

Go ahead give me your plan on what it takes to save AMR, UAL, DAL, NWA, and maybe CAL with oil on it's way to $60.

How about firing dolts like you in management that have screwed things up royally to date. Make them leave their multi million dollar severance packages behind and possibly refund some of their bloated paychecks for doing nothing.
That would be a good start.

I think your real gripe is mgt makes too much money

Wow you are learning, albiet very slowly. And I can say that about you in reverse since you continually piss and moan about pilot pay. Management does make far to much money for the results they are getting.

And you would hire people to run an airline from the ranks of retired pilots at age 60. Yeah, that's the ticket.

I said that where? When? How? In what context? Speaking to whom?


So let’s cut to the chase here sport. It is obvious, given your attitude and answers that you must be a part of U management. Not a chance in hell you’re an analyst. Even they have some common sense and a grip on the industry.
Tell us all the real reason about your obvious hard on with pilots. I can’t imagine myself going to analystinfo.com and whining about how ignorant some analyst’s are on their forum.

P.S. Don’t bother with the threats about my pay being cut and my retirement vanishing yada yada yada. For me personally, I am financially immune to the fortunes of the airline industry or my company.

 

[lowecur]

As according to ALPA C&BL. Reason being is they represent a numerically larger group of pilots. Really quite a simple situation, sorry for the confusion on your part. It's really quite simple. They should just give each member of the council an equal share of representation. Of course that would be fair, and something ALPA doesn't want.

I think you’re really reaching (again) here. I believe they are not releasing it because of issues between the negotiating committee and the MEC. I believe another U pilot can better explain this. But I'm sure they have already given up with you. That's why you should leave the speculation to someone who is comfortable with it.

Ilk? What a mature guy with the ability to have an intelligent conversation. Splain yourself, Lucy? I guess you just don’t like hearing an opposing point of view. I luv an opposing point of view, if it's an intelligent reply. Not surprising. Your pompous attitude to date with others is at best laughable. But do continue. Your insults and attempts to make a mockery of the situation and my thoughts only make you look like the idiot you have proven yourself to be over and over. OK.

I’m curious as to why you do not answer valid questions in response to some of your more ignorant comments? Cuz your intelligence scares me.

I see. So Lakefield is going to tell the judge about this situation and ALPA’s attorneys will reply that they are following the C&BL’s to the letter and the judge will ignore that? Sheesh, you’re a real intelligent guy. Are you getting your info from the same soothsayer that has been coming up with U transformation plan? Yes.


Not hard to do with all the colossal f*ck ups now you've gone over the line going on over there perpetrated by management. Again, awfully sensitive about management critisism. If you don't like it, may I suggest another board for you to spew your rehtoric on? No, you may not. I enjoy dealing with challenged individuals. You will find little sympathy, especially among the U types for the rape and pillaging that has taken place to date over there. That was the Vikings. Or are you a benefactor of those sweetheart deals?

How about firing dolts like you in management that have screwed things up royally to date. Make them leave their multi million dollar severance packages behind and possibly refund some of their bloated paychecks for doing nothing. That would be a good start. I've told you, I'm a semi retired insurance agent. You should seek anger management help.


Wow you are learning, albiet very slowly. And I can say that about you in reverse since you continually piss and moan about pilot pay. Management does make far to much money for the results they are getting. Actually I could care less what pilots make, just as long as it's within the boundries of a 10-15% profit margin.

So let’s cut to the chase here sport. OK. It is obvious, given your attitude and answers that you must be a part of U management. Let's see, I've now been accused of being mgt for every legacy carrier. Not a chance in hell you’re an analyst. No, I'm an analcyst. Even they have some common sense and a grip on the industry. Name One. Tell us all the real reason about your obvious hard on with pilots. I actually like most pilots, I just don't like you. I can’t imagine myself going to analystinfo.com and whining about how ignorant some analyst’s are on their forum.

P.S. Don’t bother with the threats about my pay being cut and my retirement vanishing yada yada yada. For me personally, I am financially immune to the fortunes of the airline industry or my company. OK, I'll let Gordon do that.

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[Boeingman]

It's really quite simple. They should just give each member of the council an equal share of representation. Of course that would be fair, and something ALPA doesn't want.

They are idiot. They are given an equal amount of representation based of the numbers of pilots they represent.

That's why you should leave the speculation to someone who is comfortable with it.

I did bozo. However I can safely assume I have a much better handle on the industry than you

Splain yourself, Lucy?

Ilk. Does that ring a bell?

I luv an opposing point of view, if it's an intelligent reply

No, you just eventually ignore direct questions when you get boxed into a corner with your foolish comments. What is the “ luv” supposed to be? Are you trying to be sly and let us know SWA’s ticker symbol? Dang, I am impressed. Such a vast well of untapped knowledge. We have the honor of being in your presence and all of us are in awe of your intellect.

Cuz your intelligence scares me.

It should.

now you've gone over the line

Truth can be very painful

No, you may not. I enjoy dealing with challenged individuals.

Then keep talking to yourself.

Like I said go to something else like: insuranceslimeballforums.com There you’ll be able to mingle with other know it alls just like yourself.

I've told you, I'm a semi retired insurance agent. You should seek anger management help.

Now that is a good one!!!. An insurance agent. About one cut above some slime ball selling used cars. Yes siree Mr. Insurance agent, you have a iron grip on the working and dealings of the airlines. At least you should of continued your bullsh!t and hot air pretending to be an analyst. An Insurance agent!!!

And no, you haven’t told me of this mail order career of yours before. Had you of earlier I wouldn’t even of wasted the time engaging you. Perhaps it was the voices in your head where you assumed you mentioned that to me? Just like how you claimed I said retired guys should run the airlines. There is help for these conditions.

Did you sign up for this insurance agent thing on one of those infomercials late at night?

Actually I could care less what pilots make, just as long as it's within the boundries of a 10-15% profit margin.

Now that’s funny. Does this apply to management as well?

Let's see, I've now been accused of being mgt for every legacy carrier.

Because you sound like the typical incompetent manager that permeates the industry.

No, I'm an analcyst.

Great play on words as it seems to fit you quite well. However a cyst can be removed, even on your a$$. We don’t have that option here.

I actually like most pilots, I just don't like you.

Aw gee whiz, my feelings are hurt. LOL get a life. But if you don’t like me I’ll take that as a compliment. Thank you, mission accomplished.

OK, I'll let Gordon do that.

Wouldn’t matter to me if he did. But I’ll bet you’ll be the first one gloating about paycuts if it happens.



P.S, I think your phone is ringing. Sounds like another mark you can pawn a life insurance policy on.

 

[lowecur]

They are Mr. Lowecur. They are given an equal amount of representation based of the numbers of pilots they represent. We'll that's funny. The press release says those 4 represent the majority of pilots. In other words, the other 8 reps have a smaller following. Care to explain that to me, or are you still challenged?


I did Mr. Lowecur. However I can safely assume I have a much better handle on the industry than you. Wrong, kerosene breath. You have a skewed handle.

Ilk. Does that ring a bell? No.

No, you just eventually ignore direct questions when you get boxed into a corner with your foolish comments. What is the “ luv” supposed to be? Are you trying to be sly and let us know SWA’s ticker symbol? Dang, I am impressed. I know. That's why you can't stop answering my posts. I'm addictive. Such a vast well of untapped knowledge. We have the honor of being in your presence and all of us are in awe of your intellect. Thank you.


Like I said go to something else like: insurancegeniusforums.com There you’ll be able to mingle with other know it alls just like yourself. Those people are not challenged like you.

Now that is a good one!!!. An insurance agent. About one cut above some neurosurgeon. Yes siree Mr. Insurance agent, you have a iron grip on the working and dealings of the airlines. At least you should of (it's have) continued your bullsh!t and hot air pretending to be an analyst. An Insurance agent!!! Yup.

And no, you haven’t told me of this fabulous career of yours before. Had you of (it's have) earlier I wouldn’t even of (it's have) wasted the time engaging you. Perhaps it was the voices in your head where you assumed you mentioned that to me? Just like how you claimed I said retired guys should run the airlines. There is help for these conditions. Where?

Did you sign up for this insurance agent thing on one of those infomercials late at night? I'm taking the 5th and drinking it.

Now that’s funny. Thank you. Does this apply to management as well? Yes.

Because you sound like the typical incompetent manager that permeates the industry. How can this be?

Great play on words as it seems to fit you quite well. However a cyst can be removed, even on your a$$. We don’t have that option here. Thanks, because I'll bet that would be uncomfortable.

Wouldn’t matter to me if he did. Who? But I’ll bet you’ll be the first one gloating about paycuts if it happens. No, but I think you should stay at a Holiday Inn Express. I hear a good nights sleep there does wonders for the challenged.

P.S, I think your phone is ringing. Sounds like another mark you can pawn a life insurance policy on. Been there, done that. Now I just collect renewal commissions. Life in Good.

.....PS. You should have a neurologist do some cognitive tests, and relay the results to a good English teacher.

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

"additive"? hmm...is he trying to say addictive?
Just hit the ignore button on this buffoon.

 

[lowecur]

"additive"? hmm...is he trying to say addictive? Yes, thank you. You can read a persons mind. Just hit the ignore button, as you can see I have nothing to say.

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[Boeingman]

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PS. You should have a neurologist do some cognitive tests, and relay the results to a good English teacher.

Interesting since I noted several flaws in your spelling and speech as well. However, I didn’t highlight the corrections since most sensible people take this for what it is worth. Besides, it is really common knowledge that when one resorts to whining about spelling, they basically have no intelligent response. Like you are doing now.*

You can keep up with the insults as much as you want since they don’t bother me in the least. Unlike you, who resorts to changing the text to suit your lame reply and shield yourself from ridicule. Are you that vain and micro thin skinned?

Boingman

Wow, what an awesome display of brain power to come up with such a 3rd grade type of dig.

They are Mr. Lowecur. They are given an equal amount of representation based of the numbers of pilots they represent.

We'll that's funny. The press release says those 4 represent the majority of pilots. In other words, the other 8 reps have a smaller following. Care to explain that to me, or are you still challenged?

Lowecur. Now that is odd. I specifically called you an idiot in reference to this. Yet you felt the need to protect that fragile persona to change the name. Talk about needing help.

Let’s try it again. Base A has 100 pilots. Base B has 1,000 pilots. Each has 1 rep per seat (not like your office chair bozo) It is weighted so that the voice of 100 does not override the voice of 1,000. So base B rep would have more voting power over base A’s rep. Your idiotic example would only work if every domicile had the exact number of pilots. If you’d shut your trap on occasion, you might just learn something.

I did Mr. Lowecur. However I can safely assume I have a much better handle on the industry than you.

Wrong, kerosene breath. You have a skewed handle.

Well, well well. What a phenomenon. Once again Mr. Micro thin skin has felt the need to change my very appropriate labeling. Poor baby, are you that upset? LOL must be.

Skewed handle coming from Mr. Insurance? Yea, sure, whatever you say. If you only could even possibly imagine your ignorance. Even the management man publishers told you to shut up since you sound like a fool.

Ilk. Does that ring a bell? No.

Look back through the replies bozo. It was a term used by you. So you're suffering with a limited mental capacity for memory as well? I should of known as much with the rhetoric that you claimed I said age 60 guys should be running airlines. Along with your delusion of telling me earlier about your “profession” (sorry, I can’t type due to laughing).

I know. That's why you can't stop answering my posts. I'm additive

Your additive? Should you get your English teacher here now?

Don’t flatter yourself. It is humorous to see what else comes out of your mouth. I really didn’t think there could be anyone more ignorant than a couple of other moron posters on this board, but you really take the prize. Frankly, it is pretty ballsy to try and pretend to be and know it all when your exposure to the airlines is probably limited to masturbating at the end of the runway watching the airliners take off.

Thank you

The sarcasm was lost on you. What else is new? Perhaps, given your frail ego (name changes) that you really need this type of stroking so you actually accept it as such.

Those people are not challenged like you.

Sticks and stones.

I'm taking the 5th and drinking it.

All this and an alcoholic to boot? I’m getting the picture. Loser, polyester suits, door to door salesman, e-mail insurance scammer, airline executive wannabe.

Take a look around what is happening within the industry bozo. Taking the 5th doesn't change the problems. But it sure does affect that Embraer investment of yours doesn't it. After all, that is what this is all about. Protecting your investment right?

Thanks, because I'll bet that would be uncomfortable.

I would bet you’d probably enjoy it.

No, but I think you should stay at a Holiday Inn Express. I hear a good night’s sleep there does wonders for the challenged.

Is that the best you can come up with bozo? You’re running out of steam here. The “challenged” rhetoric is getting a bit stale.

Besides, when I travel, I don’t stay at the cheap hotels. Perhaps that is all you can budget for yourself and use for some internet relationships you may develop?

been there, done that. Now I just collect renewal commissions. Life in Good.

What does life “in” good mean? I am trying to understand since you feel it is necessary to point out each mistake in spelling that you must be prefect. So I am trying to figure Mr. Perfection what that means. Is this another case of trying having your English teacher review your work?



So you admit you’re a scum sucking slime ball insurance guy? No doubt. Your commissions are supposed to impress me? They don’t.

** Note spelling mistakes highlighted only to show you're not perfect either.


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[Boeingman]

"additive"? hmm...is he trying to say addictive?
Just hit the ignore button on this buffoon.

Buffoon. You have summed him up in one word. His avatar is also a good choice in that department.

 

[MachPi]

What's going on here? Gentlemen, please! Have we sunk to the level of dumb beasts? Are we not men? Well, I know lowecur's not, but.... okay, forget I said anything. Carry on.

 

[lowecur]

Genius. You have summed him up in one word. His avatar is also a good choice in that department.

Just listen to yourself rattling on and on, and foaming at the mouth. You are addicted to me, admit it. It's OK to be obsessive compulsive. I gotcha.

See you on another thread Boing. Next time try and bring your A game, you tyro.

I'm not sure where you're trying to lead this, but I'm not gay.

Whatever you say.

I'm not sure where you're trying to lead this, but I'm not gay.

Okay, already.

I'm not sure where you're trying to lead this, but I'm not gay.

Uh huh.

I'm not sure where you're trying to lead this, but I'm not gay.

Call a doctor.

I'm not sure where you're trying to lead this, but I'm not gay.

I believe you.

This is fun. A great time killer in the crash pad.

Thank god CA employs male FA's to keep you company.

 

[Boeingman]

Just listen to yourself rattling on and on

What and let go of some of your empty, pointless, incorrect diatribes?
This is fun. A great time killer in the crash pad. About the only time I actually even bother to engage idiots like you.

You are addicted to me, admit it. .

Addicted?(at least you got the spelling right) I'm not sure where you're trying to lead this, but I'm not gay.

It's OK to be obsessive compulsive. .

Obsessive compulsive? Does part of your highly advanced training as an insurance salesman include pyschoanalysis? You keep referencing these types of diagnosis so one can only assume. It sure seem like those mail order careers are helping some find work other than the local 7-11.


Was it a tough choice between the locksmith or gun repair vis a vis insurance scamman?

I gotcha. .

Put away the bottle bozo. You may post more sensibly.

See you on another thread Boing. Next time try and bring your A game.

Yea, "Boing", some A game on your part. You don't even realize what a moron you really are do you?

you tyro.

Gee talk about OCD, you keep modifying your post. But speaking of amateurs, maybe you should go out an invest in one of those $49 "be a pilot" intro. rides. At least then, you could come back and post with twice as much knowledge about aviation than you have right now.

P.S. that wind you speak of in your signature line, is that the constant escaping of air particles past your a$$ or your mouth? Either one holds the same calibur of pertient information from you.

 

[J32driver]

See you on another thread Boing. Next time try and bring your A game, you tyro.

Whatever you say.

Ahhhh.... he's reached the state of resolution.

That makes the official score:
Pilot:1
Insurance Salesman: 0

 

[Joe Peeoznotz]

Boeingman

You sound a little homophobic to me. I don't think he was implying you were gay, I think he was just saying he had enough. Got to admit, both of your posts had me grabbing my sides.

 

[AA717driver]

This 'lowercur' doesn't sound like U management at all. Maybe WO? Kind of sounds like the pilot hater that used to run PSA...

He had an MBA. He thought computers were the answer to managing people. Bad ticker, wonder if he's still alive... TC

 

[Boeingman]

Just listen to yourself rattling on and on, and foaming at the mouth.You are addicted to me, admit it. It's OK to be obsessive compulsive. I gotcha.



See you on another thread Boing. Next time try and bring your A game, you tyro.



Whatever you say.



Okay, already.



Uh huh.



Call a doctor.



I believe you.



Thank god CA employs male FA's to keep you company.

“Last edited by lowecur : Yesterday at 17:30.”
Interesting. Very interesting indeed. So, you think I am obsessive and compulsive, yet you repost and re edit some 18 hours later? What is wrong with this picture here? No, not the avatar picture, it suits you perfectly.

Does it count as “foaming at the mouth” that you repeated and reposted something 6 or 7 times. I keep losing the real count since you rehash it over and over by changing it. You sure are sensitive there dippy. I wonder why? Of course your continued dribble is providing more material and is a true look at the depth of your intelligence.

Speaking of intelligence idiot…was it hard passing that mail order course for insurance salesman? I mean, all that material…golly gee, I don’t even think I would attempt such a feat. Are you the “like a good neighbor…….” guy we all see on T.V.?

I work for China Air? We all know what a stock guru you are with that hypnotizing play on words using “LUV’s” ticker symbol. Knowing how perfect your spelling, self proclaimed aeronautical knowledge and grammar is, it just can’t be a mistake.

Now I have purposely inserted some colorful terms to describe you. Be a good boy, like a trained puppy, and change them lie you always do. Woof woof…com’n you’ll get a treat if you’re a good boy.

How’d the intro flight go? Did you go out to the Army/Navy store and buy one of those flight suits for the trip to the CessnaPilotCenter? Did you take the controls of one of the C172 heavies? Just the ability to feel all that power and pretend you’re actually a pilot (unlike you do on this board) probably gave you the same physiological reaction as what happens every night you scrape the salt off your pretzel watching the airplanes. Most likely while you're wearing the same flight suit I described.

P.S. For the sake of your flight instructor, why not wash it before you take your next lesson.

 

[Boeingman]

Ahhhh.... he's reached the state of resolution.



That makes the official score:

Pilot:1

Insurance Salesman: 0

That is funny!!!!! Tallying it up on a scoreboard. When you see the participants, given it is a pilot forum discussing airline and aviation issues, it makes Lowecur look even more of a pathetic dolt. It is almost unfair and he should have a handicap. More than the mental and ignorance one he already has now I should say.

I wonder how I would sound on insurancedouchebagforums.com if I got into a debate about insurance with one of those experts? Seeing is how I haven’t completed the mail order course, I would probably get annihilated and look like the fool Lowecur does so often here.

You sound a little homophobic to me. I don't think he was implying you were gay, I think he was just saying he had enough. Got to admit, both of your posts had me grabbing my sides.

Of Lowecur I would be. Notice how he has continued to rant and rave over the gay remark made in jest some 18 hours later. I think I hit a nerve with him. I haven’t been able to hit a target this accurately in my life time.

I’m glad you got to laugh. That is a just what these forums are for most of the time.

Of course, Lowecur provides more entertainment by running his blowhole than I could ever hope to accomplish. But he does supply us with an endless material. An interesting study. Perhaps he got lost on his way to the Airliners BB with the other moron aviation wannabe know it alls?

This 'lowercur' doesn't sound like U management at all. Maybe WO? Kind of sounds like the pilot hater that used to run PSA...

He had an MBA. He thought computers were the answer to managing people. Bad ticker, wonder if he's still alive... TC

Maybe he parked to close to the end of the runway while he was stroking himself? That could explain his sudden absence.

There are some real fools within the management ranks these days; however I am confident that even Lowecur would be laughed right out of the interview. Besides, he'd produce some mail order MBA from one of the postal correspondense schools. Like the insurance salesman career I am so jealous of.

Yes, I thought about it all day yesterday sitting in the left seat of that Boeing. WTF am I doing here make over $200 an hour while I could be selling insurance?
I could throw away my grossly profitable business I also own and open some Insurance superstore in a strip mall to pawn life insurance. Better still, I could carry a fake Gucci suitcase and sell these policies door to door.

Now I have heard that the company that contracts the lav servicing is looking for entry level folks. Maybe we could suggest that to him as an entry level way to break into the airline business? Naturally, he might feel that he couldn’t get through the course, but I’m sure he could

 

[Boeingman]

Com'n Lowecur, I know your furiously jerk....I mean typing some brilliant response.

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

Cripes a'mighty! Will you two get either a room or a ring!!!

What the he11 was this thread about???????