Reserve Pay and Duty

[The_Russian]

How does reserve pay at your airline work? When do you get paid above the min. pay for reserve?

Also, does you company make you stay "on call" for 24 hours instead of "on duty"? If you do have 24 hour reserve, what is the min call out time?

Thanks,

Ruskie

 

[labbats]

Eagle reserve is 75 hour guarantee unless flight time goes above that. 11 days off.

Callout time begins your max 16 hour duty day. 3 ready reserve shifts - in ORD they were 5:30am - 1:30pm, 11am -7pm, and 7:30pm - 10pm. They are slightly different now.

I think we're the only airlilne with reserve proffering. However, they can and will add on to your schedule at their needs.

 

[siucavflight]

Depends on the airline. At my airline the reserve gaurntee is 75 hours. once you go above, this includes dead heads and block or greater you get paid at your hourly rate(for us 24 an hour for a first year FO), while on reserve I was getting about 90 hours of pay a month.
We have something at eagle called a the rap which puts you on call for 14 hours, and you have a two hour call out.

 

[jstap1]

At ASA I think it was a 14 hour on call period with a 2 hour call out. No ready reserve and 10 days off. We get a 75 hour guarantee and under block. The way our under block works if you fly a 3 hour leg in 2.5 hours the .5 you were under gets added on to your guarantee. So on reserve it is possible to fly 30 hours and get paid for 80. If we ever get a new contract I think we will have long call and short call (2 hours and 12 hours).

 

[siucavflight]

At ASA I think it was a 14 hour on call period with a 2 hour call out. No ready reserve and 10 days off. We get a 75 hour guarantee and under block. The way our under block works if you fly a 3 hour leg in 2.5 hours the .5 you were under gets added on to your guarantee. So on reserve it is possible to fly 30 hours and get paid for 80. If we ever get a new contract I think we will have long call and short call (2 hours and 12 hours).

We are pretty much the same, except we get block or greater. If a 3 hour flight takes us 2.7, then we get paid the extra .3, if a 3 hour flight were to get us block time of 5.0 due to something like waiting for de ice then we also get paid the extra 2.0.

 

[dojetdriver]

XJET has 3 different types or reserve.

Short call, long call, and floating reserve.

Short call is 15 hr on call period with a 2 hour call out. If you finish up an assingment and scheduling hasn't contacted you with 15 mins on block in, you are released until next call out time. Depending on base we have up to 5 or six different call out times. You are able to bid on them.

Long call is a whole different game. At 0001 of your first day you go on the hook for 24/7 availibility. There is wording in the contarct that scheduling will make every attempt to not contact you between certain hours. You cannot show before 1200 the first day as it is a 12 hr callout time. So worst case, they COULD call you at 0001 on your first day for a 1201 show time. If you were on day 2 of a 5 day block or reserve days and block in at 17:45, scheduling could call you at 17:46 for a 5:46 show the next day. They met the 12 hour call out time. 10% of the reserve lines have to be long call.

Floating reserve, when bidding, you have no idea as to what days or what the callout time will be. When it is awarded, the callout time will be the same for the whole month. The downside, well, you won't know your days off or call out time for the month. The upside, 2 additional days off for the month. You can put in a reserve request and ask for a preference of day off groupings or call out time. No gaurantee you will get it. Between 5 and 10% of short call lines will be FRL's.

We have to fly (hard time) to get over 75 hr min garauntee on reserve. We do not have reserve "proffering" like Eagle, but we do have an agressive pick up window. If you see something in open time that complies with your call out time as well as days of reserve for the next day, you can grab it. It is not done on a seniority basis.

Short call/long call, 11 days of in a 30 day bid period, 12 for a 31 day bid period. Floating reserve is 13 days of in a 30 day bid, 14 in a 31 day bid.

 

[great cornholio]

TSA you get 70 hours a month and 10 days a month off. If you sit home reserve you are assigned a 14 hour window and have an hour and a half call out time. If you are assigned airport reserve you have to sit at the airport for 10 hours.

Pay works like this if you get called out from home reserve you get 4.0 hours of pay or block time which ever is greater per day (so a 4 day trip is min pay of 16 hrs). If you sit airport reserve you get paid 5 hours or block whichever is greater. If you are sitting home reserve and you don't get called out then you don't get any "pay credit" for that day. There was a time last year where I was sitting a reserve and only flying about 8 to 10 hours a month but because I was sitting a bunch of airport reserve I was getting 80-90 hours of pay credit.

 

[DrewBlows]

Comair just changed the reserve rules with the new contract.

- 11 days off (used to get 12 days off in 31 day months). One set of three and one set of four immovable days off. When a day off is moved, the rest become movable. Days being moved is very hit-or-miss. I have rarely had a day moved but have friends who have had them moved frequently. With the new rules you can only have one day per month moved, and we can't be junior manned on an immovable day off.

- 75 hours guarantee or better. Credit is determined the exact same way as line holders, block or better, 75% dead head credit (used to be 100%), and a few rigs (I've never hit the rig, so I'm not very familiar with them).

- 14 hour short call window, 90 minutes except JFK which is 120.

- 12 hour long call windows from 500-700 and 1700-1900, at least 20% of reserves (this takes affect next month).

- 9 hour long call window from 500-1500, at least 20% of reserves (this takes affect next month).

- Assignments are matched to days available and given in reverse order of seniority unless you "bid to fly". As an example, if there is a four day trip to be assigned it goes the the junior most pilot with four days of reserve left. This is new. Before today, an assignment was given to the junior pilot who was legal to do it. In addition, when a pilot reaches 60 hours he is put at the bottom of the list. This is essentially a "reserve leveling" system, and should make it so one pilot doesn't break guarantee while another doesn't fly at all.

All of the new reserve rules haven't gone into affect yet, so it's yet to be seen whether this will be an improvement. Right now Comair uses reserves like line holders. Most people fly on most days, and you can expect to be used to the extent of the contract and/or FARs. My personal opinion is that this is due to poor staffing rather than a bad reserve system, so I don't expect the new rules to change anything.

 

[flyslow24]

Other AWAC'ers may disagree with me but we have it pretty good if you live in base on reserve...

2-hour call out - straight reserves

48-hour call out -Long call

75 hour guaruntee - over pay if you fly over 75

Long call is sweet. Get it at your airline!

 

[dojetdriver]

Other AWAC'ers may disagree with me but we have it pretty good if you live in base on reserve...

2-hour call out - straight reserves

48-hour call out -Long call

75 hour guaruntee - over pay if you fly over 75

Long call is sweet. Get it at your airline!

Your kind of long call is sweet. It all depends on how it was negotiated. You guys got the bonus package.

 

[Soverytired]

Also, does you company make you stay "on call" for 24 hours instead of "on duty"? If you do have 24 hour reserve, what is the min call out time?


Ruskie

As far as the FAA is concerned, if you're "on call", i.e responsible for answering the phone, you're "On Duty", for part 121 operations.

So if you're 18 hours into an "on call" situation, you'll need minimum rest before you can actually fly.

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Mesa:

• 12 hour reserve shifts, either 60 or 90 min callout depending on city size.

(If you fly, you'll be placed back on reserve to finish that reserve shift, even if it means you'll only be on reserve for 30 minutes.)

• There is no "long call"
• About half of the reserve shifts are 6 days of reserve then 2 days off
• You will NEVER get more than 8 days off in a 28 day period when on reserve. NO EXCEPTIONS.

• If you're anywhere but PHX, you'll probably be on "ready reserve" for 10 hour shifts (8 hours minimum, max of 12), which is sitting in the airport in uniform so you can be at the plane in 5 minutes or less.

(Again, if you fly on ready reserve, you'll be placed back on ready reserve to finish that RR shift, even if it means you'll only be on reserve for 30 minutes)

 

[CX880]

How long is reserve at Mesa? I'm guessing if you're having trouble finding pilots that means a short reserve right?

 

[Soverytired]

How long is reserve at Mesa? I'm guessing if you're having trouble finding pilots that means a short reserve right?

Some places yes, some places no. I'm not gonna do the legwork on this, but suffice it to say that based on domicile and equipment, your reserve period will be between:

0 days - 3 years.

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Also . .. . attrition is high, but probably not that much higher than Skywest or RJets from what I've been hearing.