Requesting all pilot's help with GoJet

[Rocking M]

Please spread the word amongst all pilots you know that accepting employment with GoJet is unacceptable to fellow airline pilots.

GoJet is in violation of the current Trans States Airlines Pilot's Collective Bargaining Agreement. Flying for GoJet undermines all airlines labor agreements.

Please spread the word!

 

[SKYW Pilot]

So what exactly is GoJet? Freedom Air... Take 2?

 

[Rocking M]

For the most part, yes. Please refer to this thread GoJets/For all low-timers to read

 

[Propsync]

I'm spreading the word at Skyway as much as possible. I think most will help you guys in any way we can.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Have they tried to hire anyone yet?

 

[AviatorTx]

So what exactly is GoJet? Freedom Air... Take 2?

Yup...

Just like with Freedumb, this is one of the very RARE cases in which there will be no jumpseats given on a plane that I am flying. I left a Freedumb pilot at the gate back in the day. I will not hesitate to do the same to a GoJet pilot also.

I do not condone using the jumpseat as a weapon except for VERY RARE circumstances. THIS is one of them.

 

[210FR8DOG]

Have they tried to hire anyone yet?

So far only management pilots, I'm pretty sure. We all got invitation letters in our mailboxes here at TSA to apply at GoJets, which is really funny since it is a "SEPERATE" airline. Do you think ASA solicits Pinnacle pilots in their mailboxes?

 

[majordavid]

AWAC already Knows. When we asked UAL mec how they felt about our flying going to 2 non-union carriers.........just that....you could hear the crickets chirping. That is probably where the hardest battle to be fought will take place. You have our company's full support.

 

[CapnVegetto]

Yet another great thing we can all thank Jonny O for. That guy should be drawn and quartered.

 

[On Your Six]

This SHOULD Be Crystal CLEAR....

GoJet = BLACKLISTED and everyone out there should know it!!!!!!!!! Like the Soup Nazi used to say, "No Jumpseat for you!"

 

[Lebowski]

Rocking M: I think most pilots at other airlines are with you 100% and will do what they can to support you guys at TSA.

MajorDavid: While I'm totally sympathetic about AWAC's case, I just want to point out that union vs. non-union carriers is not the issue. I just want to make sure that you're not lumping SkyWest in with GoJet. Besides, GoJet has a "union", no?

The goal at big U seems to cut costs at any cost. Regional contracts get signed and cancelled all the time. The TSA/GoJet alter-ego airline issue is quite different than AWAC losing its flying to another airline, union or not. In the GoJet case, it's the circumvention of TSA's agreement between pilots and the company that we should all stay focused on. It seems that TSA creating GoJet is like Mesa creating Freedom, but with a slight twist--the alter-ego airline will have a union. It's like a card trick: Create an alter-ego airline with a union, and maybe no one will notice that you created an alter-ego airline.

Who is TSA currently represented by? Are the Teamsters already involved with GoJet? It seems like the Teamsters (or any other union) would want to keep their distance from GoJet, as it dishonors the union efforts at TSA. It's already commonplace for regional airlines to be played against each other. If we end up with regional airline unions being played against each other, then it's really time to form a single regional union that truly looks out for us, the regional pilots.

 

[Flash76]

I was told that several Corporate Airlines (Corpex) drivers have been hired by GoJet. They don't seem to care that they are violating the current Trans States Airlines Pilot's Collective Bargaining Agreement and that flying for GoJet undermines all airlines labor agreements.

The next few months are going to very intersting for us here at Trans States...

 

[WhiteCloud]

I was told that several Corporate Airlines (Corpex) drivers have been hired by GoJet. They don't seem to care that they are violating the current Trans States Airlines Pilot's Collective Bargaining Agreement and that flying for GoJet undermines all airlines labor agreements.

The next few months are going to very intersting for us here at Trans States...

It's really simple guys.......stop working, as a group, for a company that is violating their agreement with you. Come back to work when they get in compliance, again, as a group. Create a real picket line instead of telling people that don't work for the company to boycott them. That approach is proven to be a waste of time. As a former TSA pilot I'm pulling for you and hope you do something effective. WC

 

[skootertrash]

GoJet = BLACKLISTED and everyone out there should know it!!!!!!!!! Like the Soup Nazi used to say, "No Jumpseat for you!"

Something a bit stronger than no jumpseat should be done. I suggest any and i mean ANY legal means possible.

 

[Rottweiller]

AWAC already Knows. When we asked UAL mec how they felt about our flying going to 2 non-union carriers.........just that....you could hear the crickets chirping. That is probably where the hardest battle to be fought will take place. You have our company's full support.

Some of UAL are already "stunned' by the decision. Whenever J/S now on UAL they seem to have nothing but great comments and sympathy over recent events. With this in mind, this was posted on our company bitching board and maybe will be a sign of things to come and the battle ground is moving?

Quote:
Thought you all would like to hear what happened to me the other day..I was in ****** with the OMC card in hand. I saw a Skywest CA in the area, but he did not notice me. I went down and the purser said an Air Wis guy, we love you and ALPA is good..she was a AFA leader for UAL. She had a ALPA pin on her ID, along with AFA. Then I went and talked to the CA, he said he commutes on us all the time and was very sad about what happened to us. He said the UAL MEC was weak and should have stood up to keep our flying. He said even after we stop UAX, we are always welcome in his jumpseat. Shortly after the Skywest CA came up to the purser while I was there, and the purser said"you need to grow some balls and get your **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** company with ALPA"! I was blown away when she said that. He said, "i have no control over that, just going to work"...she said,"sure you do, get your buts in gear...this poor Air Wis guy is losing flying to you guys"! Then she leaned into the flightdeck and said, "Captain, we have a non-union pilot here".The CA said, who do you work for, and he said "Skywest", the CA said, she is right, you all have created a bad situation for the industry and it's not right". He said to me, "take any seat you want", and then to the Skywest guy..well since you can write a pass..enjoy, your not on my jumpseat today"!
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[SRJ]

Here is a flame for you....I am not agreeing with what Trans States is doing with the GoJet thing or with MESA and Freedom but I think it is ironic how Mesa pilots are pissed at the Freedom guys for "undercutting" them when it is essentially what they are doing to the rest of the industry. Food for thought.

 

[hyperboy]

freedom

That is the exact reason that freedom is looked at so negatively at air shuttle. They took away our leverage to negotiate. It is not a union non union arguemnet at all. Skywest is a great place and they are non union. Those guys at freedom knew what they were doing they did not care about anyone but themselves. They were well educated on the ramifications. Choices have consequences they made the wrong choice. i hope these new pilots understand what happens if they pursue go jet. If you coomute life will get very difficult. No one will really feel bad for you at all. Mesa pilots would not allow these freedom guys to JS if it were not from the CP that we have to. They divided us now we have to cope as civily as WE HAVE TO!!!!!

 

[SRJ]

That is the exact reason that freedom is looked at so negatively at air shuttle. They took away our leverage to negotiate. It is not a union non union arguemnet at all. Skywest is a great place and they are non union. Those guys at freedom knew what they were doing they did not care about anyone but themselves. They were well educated on the ramifications. Choices have consequences they made the wrong choice. i hope these new pilots understand what happens if they pursue go jet. If you coomute life will get very difficult. No one will really feel bad for you at all. Mesa pilots would not allow these freedom guys to JS if it were not from the CP that we have to. They divided us now we have to cope as civily as WE HAVE TO!!!!!

"Those guys at freedom knew what they were doing they did not care about anyone but themselves."

...and I ask what the difference is when it comes to the MESA pilots that passed that last contract? Wasn't the contract passed by over 80% in favor?

 

[hyperboy]

freedom

we'd all be freedom!yuk

 

[exhaustgas]

Perhaps GoJet should do some recruiting from some BMA 727 crew rosters, seems as though GoJet might be a good fit for them...

Where is the bottom in this industry?

 

[abcdef]

So what exactly is GoJet? Freedom Air... Take 2?

Please enlighten me withe the first question below...

1. What were the specifics of Freedom Air, what happened?


2. I don't see any other way for TSA owner, Hulas, to fly >50 seaters other than to start a new company entirely like he is doing with GoJets. If he doesn't do it, then someone else will....it's as simple as that! This isn't about going around the union, it's about getting around AA Scope!

 

[Dirty Sanchez]

Why would anyone go to work for a company (GoJets) that doesn't even have a pay scale or work rules yet?

 

[FlyFastLiveSlow]

First, ALPA is a joke when it comes to regionals.


Second, I want to say that the CorpEx guys are good people, trying to feed families. That company may be outr of business soon because MESA is undercutting their bids. Sometimes people need to do what trhey need to do.

 

[BluDevAv8r]

First, ALPA is a joke when it comes to regionals.

Having spent the past 3+ years negotiating our contract at ExpressJet, I disagree with you.

-Neal

 

[Ben Franklin]

ExpresJet has been ranked as a major airline by way of its 1 billion+ in revenue.

 

[FlyFastLiveSlow]

Having spent the past 3+ years negotiating our contract at ExpressJet, I disagree with you.

-Neal

Actually, I would go as far as to say that under the "leadership" of Duane Woerth(less) that ALPA in general is pretty said.

 

[N8 M]

Please enlighten me withe the first question below...

1. What were the specifics of Freedom Air, what happened?


2. I don't see any other way for TSA owner, Hulas, to fly >50 seaters other than to start a new company entirely like he is doing with GoJets. If he doesn't do it, then someone else will....it's as simple as that! This isn't about going around the union, it's about getting around AA Scope!

#2: CHQ's doing it by buying other certificates and starting a third (Shuttle America and Republic). All three will be flown by pilots on the CHQ seniority list thanks to the stong scope language in the pilot contract.

Starting an alter-ego airline with cheaper pilots is not the only solution.

 

[utahpilot]

some questions and observations for those of you who know....

1. Everyone I know here at SKYW didn't want AWAC to lose a thing. No one is stoked about being given a PORTION of ya'll's flying.

2. 'flying being given to two non-union carriers'
-does this suggest that everyone would have been A OK peachy keen with things had Mesa been awarded the flying? they are your Union Brothers, after all. I don't understand this sentiment at all.

3. if cost ruled and the lowest bidder were to win, why didn't Mesa get the flying? their costs are much lower than AWAC, SkyWest, etc.

I don't pretend to know how or why things have gone the way they have, but I still haven't seen any facts/figures that show that the small differences in pilot payscales are what determine who is awarded flying in any case.

flame away if you must, but I'm looking for serious info. after all, SkyWest and Comair are both DCI carriers, but Comair is much more expensive in terms of pilot pay. why then did Comair just get 25 more AC while SkyWest hasn't been awarded any for quite some time?

lemmee know boys

 

[JackFlyer]

You TSA Pilots so quickly forget. If my memory services me correctly…you are flying 10 EMB 145’s the are owned by AMR Eagle in Ft. Worth, TX. This is a direct violation of AE Contract, but you still continue to fly those planes.



AE contract states….



B. SCOPE

1. All flying performed on Company aircraft in its scheduled airline

service will be performed by pilots on the Pilots’ System Seniority

List, in accordance with the terms of this Agreement. Except for the

initial cadre of pilots required to operate and train on new aircraft,

all training of pilots in Company aircraft will be performed by pilots

on the Pilots’ System Seniority List in accordance with the terms of

this Agreement. As used in this paragraph, the following definitions

apply:

a. “Company aircraft” means all aircraft owned or leased by the

Company, or of which the Company otherwise has

operational control.



b. “Scheduled airline service” means all flying of passengers

and freight on Company aircraft as reflected in the Official

Airline Guide and any other schedule or timetable published

(in print or electronically) by the Company, and all of the

following activities performed in support of the Company’s

scheduled airline service: charter flights, extra section flights,

maintenance flights, ferry flights, test flights, flights involving

the delivery of new Company aircraft, and high speed taxing

of Company aircraft.



D. SUCCESSORSHIP

1. In the event the Company sells or transfers all or a part of the

operations covered by this Agreement, the Company will, as a

condition of such sale or transfer, afford the opportunity for pilots

who are transferred with such operations to return to the Company

as vacancies occur requiring the Company to increase its pilot

workforce, in accordance with the following terms:…



SO STOP COMPLAINING. You did it to EAGLE so now what goes around will and has come around. 813HK – 821HK are flown by TSA pilots but owned buy AMR. DIRECT VIOLATION OF EAGLE'S CONTRACT!!!



N-number : N813HKAircraft Serial Number : 145044Aircraft Manufacturer : EMBRAER Model : EMB-145LREngine Manufacturer : ALLISON Model : AE3007CSERAircraft Year : 1998Owner Name : AMERICAN EAGLE AIRLINES INCOwner Address : 4333 AMON CARTER BLVD MD 5494 FORT WORTH, TX, 76155 Type of Owner : CorporationRegistration Date : 11-May-1998Airworthiness Certificate Type : StandardApproved Operations : Transport

 

[millhouse21]

Sounds like AMR screwed you guys over pretty hard there. That sucks. What does that have to do with TSA pilots being screwed by TSA?