Republic/US/MDA/GE Deal Announced

[I.P. Freley]

Be careful comparing pay rates and not work rules. Airways still has some of the highest labor costs due to their work rules, while Southwest pilots actually work for that kind of pay.

USAir's biggest compensation problem is that the most junior pilot was hired in, what, 1988? Probably every single pilot who still works there is maxed out on pay.

 

[SOVT]

BVT1151

Would you care to post those rules. Last time I looked they/we don't have any restrictive rules.

Management may choose to schedule us ineficiently, but, thats their choice.

 

[bvt1151]

Rigs, Minimum lines, etc. Its no big secret that Airways still has some of the most lucrative work rules, especially when compared to SWA.

 

[michael707767]

Rigs, Minimum lines, etc. Its no big secret that Airways still has some of the most lucrative work rules, especially when compared to SWA.

actually, I would disagree. USAirs work rules suck now. A large part of the reason the pilots at U are not as efficient as SW has to due with multiple fleet types and nothing to do with the work rules. An airline like SW will always have more efficient pilots, much easier to schedule with one fleet type. Talk to a U pilot someday soon. See what he/she thinks of the work rules now. I think you would be surprised.

 

[SOVT]

BVT1151



"Its no big secret that Airways still has some of the most lucrative work rules"

It is to the AAA guys. It's clear that you dont work here or have close contact with anyone who does. What your stating may have been true a decade and a half ago but every contract since 1989 has been a concessionary one.

 

[General Lee]

actually, I would disagree. USAirs work rules suck now. A large part of the reason the pilots at U are not as efficient as SW has to due with multiple fleet types and nothing to do with the work rules. An airline like SW will always have more efficient pilots, much easier to schedule with one fleet type. Talk to a U pilot someday soon. See what he/she thinks of the work rules now. I think you would be surprised.

BVT1151 is probably one of those guys/gals (?) who believes the news reports saying that the "average" United pilot only flies 40 hours per month compared to the average Southwest pilot who flies 80. Southwest only has one fleet type and after intial training only spends 3 days a year (probably) in recurrent. At United or any Major, new courses for new aircraft are usually over a month long. That brings down the average immensly. I know a guy at Delta that got bumped from 2 aircraft in one year and spent over 2 months total on Virginia Avenue in ATL doing two new schools. What was his yearly average? Don't believe everyting your hear on the news BVT1151......


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Dashcaptain]

Just so you guys know, the captains at MidAtlantic are only getting first or second year pay. They got no longevity for time at Airways. FOs are pretty much maxxing out that side of the scale.

 

[FlyingDawg]

You know, Michael, I didn't buy that so I did a little math myself. Got the figures off of airlinepilotpay.com and used 10 year 737 (126 seats) captain pay, and 10 year 70-95 seat "RJ" pay for all figuring. You weren't far off.

The fact is that most of the payscales are dead on -- EXCEPT for Jetblue's E-190 rates.

Here's how it shakes out:

USAir: $122/hr
DAL: $153/hr
SWA: $178/hr

Proportionally, using USAir's number, a Jetblue 195 10 year Captain should make approximately $92/hr.(assuming 95 pax.) $105/hr (assuming 108 pax)

Jetblue's actual rate? $85/hr

So they're off quite a bit.

Lets look at the Delta folks...

A DAL 737-300 10 yr Captain makes $153/hr (124 seats)

Proportionally a Comair 70 seat Captain should make $86.37/hr

Comair's actual rate? $89/hr

Now lets look at our disfunctional friends at US Airways.

A US Airways 737-300 10 yr Captain makes $122/hr (126 seats)

Proportionally a PSA 70 seat Captain should make $67.77 and a MidAtlantic 75 seat Captain should make $72.61/hr

What do they really make?
PSA: $75.00/hr ....................... MidAtlantic: $77.00/hr

Just for comparison, by the way folks, if we were to use Southwest's numbers...

A 10 yr 737 Captain at Southwest makes $178/hr...

For a 70 seat Captain to be proportionally on-scale he would have to make $98.88/hr...

How long will Southwest sustain those industry-leading pay scales? <tongue-in-cheek>

Shouldn't these be figured by an Available Seat Mile Flown?

 

[jobear]

(h) Preferential Hiring . Republic will comply with the terms of Letter of Agreement #91 to the US Airways - ALPA Collective Bargaining Agreement with respect to the flight crews currently employed by US Airways’ EMB-170 Division (“Mid-Atlantic”), and will offer preferential hiring to any flight attendants and mechanics currently employed at Mid-Atlantic. Furthermore Republic will comply with such Letter of Agreement #91 associated with any additional aircraft. ​

 

[FurloughedAgain]

So...whats that mean? 50% of the MAA pilots are out of luck? Furloughed...again?

Boy, I can see why you guys love sending your money to ALPA! They do a fantastic job of protecting your job-security.

I don't blame the Republic pilots for this, it is yet another failure of the US Airways MEC to do something OTHER than look out for themselves.

 

[FlamingFUPA]

I don't blame the Republic pilots for this, it is yet another failure of the US Airways MEC to do something OTHER than look out for themselves.

Seems to be a sad story.