Remember AMR's 80 for 80 pins?

[get2flyin]

Old news. Besides, they already have twenty something -700's right? These new ones will have a first class section, so fewer than the current 70 seats. Hell, a big ATR has 66 seats. If they start flying the C-Series with 100-149 seats, you can start to freak out. Until then...relax, man.

 

[Snapperhead]

What other pins can we think of...

S340's for $3.40

I thought they were MD88's? WTF

Sorry, you thought wrong. Delta flies -88s and -90s; American flies DC-9-80s (and maybe some ex-TWA -83s).

 

[get2flyin]

Sorry, you thought wrong. Delta flies -88s and -90s; American flies DC-9-80s (and maybe some ex-TWA -83s).

Not just any -80. They have the SUPER 80. Sweeeeeet.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Yes- gutless.

Just where is your line in the sand? Doesn't affect you, right? Those a/c should be flown by mainline and you know it. Simply show up to hdq w/ several thousand resignations and stand up!

But maybe you're a bit too cowardly for that. Much easier to blame the system, than to take responsibility and do something.

But make sure you complain to every liberal you see how this country is falli g apart bc nobody takes responsibility anymore.

You have more power than you think. You just have to sieze it. Seems all of you legacy guys have been unwilling for a decade.

375 Midwest pilots effectively did that by refusing to work for substandard wages. What has that gotten them? Is there an ALPA assessment to help them? Here's an article
http://milwaukee.bizjournals.com/milwaukee/stories/2008/10/20/story2.html?q=Midwest Airlines pilots

I would guess there are about 10,000 furloughed pilots in the US. You think that the legacy pilos you have such disdain for have the leverage to play a game of brinksmanship with management? Especially when you're dealing with management that has no interest in whether or not the airline continues to operate; they'll get a job with some other unrelated corporation.

Then somebody will dredge up a venture capitalist to fund their great airline idea that will succeed where others have failed because they won't be saddled with high labor costs, etc, etc, etc.

Battles are fought to win, not for practice.

 

[waveflyer]

And as this thread points out... What would you do if AMR decided to replace and outsource all the -80's w/ C100's. Would you have the same attitude?

To outsource jet flying while furloughing should have been your line in the sand. I don't have a disdain for you- I don't care about you- but I recognize weakness when it's obvious and so does your management. Divide and conquer- chip away, chip away. It'll stop when you stop it.

Personally, Id settle for pilots realizing that republican's want to f^ck us and stop voting for the pricks. Maybe then we wouldn't have judges circumventing contract through the BK process (or in your case- the threat of it) and we'd have the political will at the NMB to get things done. Democrats can be frustrating, but in the end - my mortgage is a LOT easier to pay w/ them at the reigns. Yes, I said it. I'd rather be taxed at 38% of $170k than 32% of a $90k.... Call me crazy

 

[Bringupthebird]

Unfortunately you'll end up paying 50% of $30000 and it won't be a matter of choice.

 

[waveflyer]

Has that happened?
No. And if the peak of the Laffer curve that your supply side economics are based is where you say it is, then raising taxes to 50% would be stupid economically as well as politically- Now Obama is a lot of things- but he's not dumb, and especially not politically dumb. So where's your evidence of a 50% tax rate?
Bc of the spending--- well... I'd say this spending is mostly cleaning up bush/ republican deregulation policies.

The money to pay for all this spending will come from the people who have the money- the top 5% who have been paying a lower percentage of of their income than most of us for years.

I love it when barely middle class pilots start arguing for an increased gap between the rich and poor- despite the highest levels since the great depression. Our economic engine depends on a fair distribution of earnings. Something republican policies don't allow.

 

[luckytohaveajob]

The current issue of Aviation Week and Space Technology with the two F18s climbing vertically has an article stating Embraer is planning their next airframe. The Embraer President Curado, name may be spelled wrong, stated Embraer is looking at a larger turboprop design to hit a sweet spot in the airframe market share being crowded in the under 100 seat jet field.

Imagine a 150 seat turboprop doing 350-400 knots? The Electra did it back in the 1950's but failed. I bet the designers get the engine mounts right this time and build a real union scope buster passengers like. It will be sold and marketed as a green plane Prius drivers will flock to ride on for $59 a seat on the less than 1000 mile stage length.

The 1950's to early 1960's saw three transitions of design. Rapid developments can easily occur when an advantage is seen. And if short term union thinking cannot see the forest through the trees which it has failed miserably to do the last decade the proud will fall hard and fast.

Do you think Embraer can do it? I do because they have time and time again.

 

[waveflyer]

Well said!
This idea that Only regionals fly turboprops is ridiculous. It's another reason I love southwest. If it has southwest on the tail- we fly it. Some ex-mil one job types don't get it, but most do- we're pretty unified in that. Even the Q400's that might have been coming from Lynx.
Most of us were strong- we fly it- for the same pay rates. A bigger plane- same rate- we aren't going to be divided. I like it.

 

[johnnyride24]

what other pins can we think of...

S340's for $3.40

i thought they were md88's? Wtf

atr 72 for 0.72 a hour