Religion of peace at it again

[100LL... Again!]

http://news.yahoo.com/fc?tmpl=fc&cid=34&in=world&cat=iraq

I'm trying real hard to do the whole Christian love-your-neighbor here.


You may also title this article:

Al Queda kicks begins John Kerry campaign in earnest.

Funny how these towel - headed morons feel justified in getting revenge against any random passer-by.

Thank goodness Bush had the courage to take the fight to them, unlike the simpering, craven liberal crowd who would like another few dozen rounds of concessionary diplomacy.

Give war a chance.

 

[GogglesPisano]

http://news.yahoo.com/fc?tmpl=fc&cid=34&in=world&cat=iraq

I'm trying real hard to do the whole Christian love-your-neighbor here.


You may also title this article:

Al Queda kicks begins John Kerry campaign in earnest.

Funny how these towel - headed morons feel justified in getting revenge against any random passer-by.

Thank goodness Bush had the courage to take the fight to them, unlike the simpering, craven liberal crowd who would like another few dozen rounds of concessionary diplomacy.

Give war a chance.

I think you need a big hug.

 

[Swass]

You need to get with the program.

 

[Snakum]

Religion of peace at it again

Jesus F@#$ing Christ man ... what have these fundamentalist Christian Nazi bozos done now?

Oh wait ... you were talking about the Muslims this time? For a minute there I thought you were going to tell us there was more Christian-generated murder and mayhem like that in Northern Ireland, the Balkans, and various US states where abortion clinics are bombed, doctors and nurses murdered, etc.

Glad we got that cleared up.

(Putz )

Minh

 

[CitationLover]

snakum,

when was the last time a "christian" strapped a bomb to themselves, went to a market, and blew themselves up?

abortion bombings/shootings? the last one was like 10 years ago i think.

wake up.

 

[Snakum]

You Jesus Freak ass-clowns are a riot. You're a prime example of why superstitious, inbred, militant religious fanatics of ALL stripes should be rounded up and sent to re-education camps. I don't care if you're a Christian murderer or a Muslim murderer ... all superstitious nutjobs have the potential for religious violence, and so the source of the disease itself - illogical, violent-prone personal beliefs - should be eradicated.

Make organized religion illegal.

Minh

 

[Timebuilder]

Jesus F@#$ing Christ man ... what have these fundamentalist Christian Nazi bozos done now?

Oh wait ... you were talking about the Muslims this time? For a minute there I thought you were going to tell us there was more Christian-generated murder and mayhem like that in Northern Ireland, the Balkans, and various US states where abortion clinics are bombed, doctors and nurses murdered, etc.

Glad we got that cleared up.

(Putz )

Minh

As much as I like you, ya know I HAVE to correct you on this.

The Muslims are following a teching from their "holy" book that exhorts them to kill the infidel.

When someone blows up an abortion clinic, or shoots a kid on his way to school in Ireland, they aren't following ANY Christian teaching.

None.

It's a specious argument.

 

[ATL2CDG]

When someone blows up an abortion clinic, or shoots a kid on his way to school in Ireland, they aren't following ANY Christian teaching.

Pull your head out of your arse. How convenient that people forget the Roman Catholic Church and many eastern Orthodox churches not only sanctioned, but encouraged, the slaughter of early Muslims in the 'Holy Land'. Hundreds of years of war and countless deaths on both side and the Roman Catholic Church simply states 'the current incarnation of the Holy Mother Church cannot be held responsible for the mistakes of the past.' Oh, how freaking convenient. And anyone that's got the stomach to watch the 700 Club for more than 30 minutes will hear countless references to the 'Christian martyrs' throughout the world and direct inferences that pagans, homosexuals and Muslims are the cause of all evil.

I have to concur with Minh that religion and spiritual belief have been long worthless to the human race. However, rather than educating themselves and evolving forward, they want to sit back and fear some invisible old man with nothing better to do that chastise 6 billion people.

From the movie Dogma:

Nun: You don't believe in God because of Alice in Wonderland?
Loki: No, "Through the Looking Glass". That poem, "The Walrus and the Carpenter" that's an indictment of organized religion. The walrus, with his girth and his good nature, he obviously represents either Buddha, or... or with his tusk, the Hindu elephant god, Lord Ganesha. That takes care of your Eastern religions. Now the carpenter, which is an obvious reference to Jesus Christ, who was raised a carpenter's son, he represents the Western religions. Now in the poem, what do they do... what do they do? They... They dupe all these oysters into following them and then proceed to shuck and devour the helpless creatures en masse. I don't know what that says to you, but to me it says that following these faiths based on mythological figures ensure the destruction of one's inner-being. Organized religion destroys who we are by inhibiting our actions... by inhibiting our decisions, out of... out of fear of some... some intangible parent figure who... who shakes a finger at us from thousands of years ago and says... and says, "Do it - Do it and I'll f<u>ckin' spank you."

TysV

 

[chawbein]

countless references to the 'Christian martyrs'

A Christian martyr is one who is killed because they refuse to renounce their faith or are murdered because of their faith. A Christian martyr is not an instrument of destruction and death. A muslim martyr is one who dies in jihad i.e. strapping explosives to their chests and blowing up the infidels, at least in common usage. A "Christian" who kills abortion doctors, bombs abortion clinics, or kills in Northern Ireland is not acting on Christian values at all, nor are they a martyr.

Pull your head out of your arse. How convenient that people forget the Roman Catholic Church and many eastern Orthodox churches not only sanctioned, but encouraged, the slaughter of early Muslims in the 'Holy Land'.

You are writing of events that took place 734 years ago. I think society has advanced a little bit in those years. It is widely known that the Roman Catholic church was corrupted by this time, and I'll just go ahead and reference Timebuilder's quote "...they aren't following ANY Christian teaching." The extreme followers of the "religion of peace" still behave in this manner and it's now 734 years after these events happened.

 

[Timebuilder]

Pull your head out of your arse. How convenient that people forget the Roman Catholic Church and many eastern Orthodox churches not only sanctioned, but encouraged, the slaughter of early Muslims in the 'Holy Land'. Hundreds of years of war and countless deaths on both side and the Roman Catholic Church simply states 'the current incarnation of the Holy Mother Church cannot be held responsible for the mistakes of the past.' Oh, how freaking convenient. And anyone that's got the stomach to watch the 700 Club for more than 30 minutes will hear countless references to the 'Christian martyrs' throughout the world and direct inferences that pagans, homosexuals and Muslims are the cause of all evil.

I'll be a little more respectful of you, and not try and mount a personal attack that many might leap upon.

Youi have made an assumption that is unsupporterd.

Christians, those who follow the teachings of Christ as shown in the Bible, don't beleive the Catholic Church is, by definition, Christian.

The 700 Club is an entirely different matter. It is true, however, that Christians are being martyred for their faith every day. There is a great body of independent information available trough secular human rights groups who agree that this happens. It is a truth.

Pagans, homosexuals and Muslims are not the cause of all evil.

They are evidence of evil.

That's not the same thing.

I have to concur with Minh that religion and spiritual belief have been long worthless to the human race. However, rather than educating themselves and evolving forward, they want to sit back and fear some invisible old man with nothing better to do that chastise 6 billion people.

I actually feel embarassed for you.

If you think a movie based on human belief contains some sort of truth that can be relied upon to characterize a religious belief, then I have to tell you, I am STUNNED.

If anything, it shows a complete lack of understanding of the subject. I'd recommend you take a closer look before you willingly look to Lewis Carroll or a movie writer for definitive information on any belief.

 

[ATL2CDG]

*falls to floor from incessant laughter*

Timebuilder:

I'd love for you to approach a Catholic and tell him/her to his/her face that he/she is NOT a Christian. I just love how Protestants, especially Baptists, are convinced that it's their way or the highway. Despite your Protestant arrogance and ignorance, the Roman Catholic Church is a Christian Church... in fact, it is the largest Christian Church in the world. Just because your views differ, doesn't give you the right to call them non-Christians.

It's the entire mentality of 'us' against 'them'. It disgusts me. Blind, unadulterate hate over belief.

And I have to beg to differ: pagans, homosexuals and Muslims are not evidence of evil... They're evidence of difference. It is especially your obvious belief that Muslims are evil that has fostered the warm, caring relationship with share with the Muslim world today.

You can be embarassed for me all you want. I'm not. Your voodoo meetings on Sunday and your Gideon Bible forcing cronies will do absolutely NOTHING to my resolve. You don't win converts by threatening them with hellhire and brimstone. You don't win converts by addressing different people as evidence of evil.

I'm embarassed for you. You've let 2,000 years of voodoo magic and your parents' ever-present indoctrination mold you. You're not an independent, free-thinking adult; you're a mindless puppet-drone.

 

[Timebuilder]

It's amazing to me that people who can show enough understanding to figure out to not touch a hot stove, not pull the mixture when they mean to pull the throttle, or wait for the bus to pass before crossing the street can be so vehement against their creator. It truly is evidence of the fall of man.

As far as Catholics are concerned, we have dozens of them in my church. Why? Because the Catholic teachings are not Biblical, which has fueled tens of thousands of former Catholics to seek out Christian Bible churches. No doubt, the pedophile priest scadal helped this exodus along. We have had these discussions here.

As far as the sin you mentioned being evidence of difference, that is only a part of the equation. Some difference is offensive to God, such as when people choose to not follow His teaching. These bodies are just rentals, we don't own them. We didn't design them, so the designer gets to dictate to us how we are to use these bodies, and how to avoid misusing them.

Further, He teaches us to not follow false teachings, and that covers a great many beliefs. If a teaching does not come from God, it only has one other origin.

Care to guess what that origin might be?

You don't win converts by addressing different people as evidence of evil.

We are to be able to discern good from evil based on God's word. Only He can convert them, no mere man can do that. We need to be able to recognize evil when we see it, if not, we can easily be drawn into it.

Your attempt at mounting a personal attack only makes me feel sorry for you. Another Lost Man.

Sad.

I'm embarassed for you. You've let 2,000 years of voodoo magic and your parents' ever-present indoctrination mold you. You're not an independent, free-thinking adult; you're a mindless puppet-drone.

Actuallly, my parents have nothing to do with my accepting Christ as savior. If you think you are "free thinking," all I can tell you is that you are in for one rough ride.

Yee Hawwwwww.......

 

[Swass]

No wonder this guy's old lady bailed on him.

 

[I.P. Freley]

>>>I'd love for you to approach a Catholic and tell him/her to his/her face that he/she is NOT a Christian.<<<

One of my best friends is Catholic, and as far as she is concerned, "not a Christian".

I'm afraid I don't understand the difference.... I asked her "Well, do you believe in Jesus and think he is your savior?"

Answer, "yes".

"So you believe in Jesus CHRIST, yet you are not CHRISTIAN?"

"Yup."

Hmmmm........

 

[Timebuilder]

I'll take a crack at that one, IP.

You might also be surprised to find out that Muslims recognize many people from the Bible.

The name "Christian" was first used among the citizens of Antioch, more as a nickname for the followers of Christ. It seems to have stuck.

Catholics accept a great many things are a part of their doctrine that are not Biblical. While Christ is the central figure in Catholicism, there is also a pope, a particular group of former humans known as saints who have been identifed and set aside for special consideration and prayer, along with the veneration of Mary as someone who has importance beyond being the mother of Jesus. There are special rituals, not mentiojned in the Bible, which have come to be accepted by Catholics as required for participation by the faithful. This is what is called a "works based salvation." In other words, if you pray the right prayers and fulfill the requirements of attendance, ritual, and doctrine, you achieve salvation.

People who call themselves "Christian," on the other hand, base their faith instead entirely on the Messiah, Jesus, and the saving grace He taught in the Bible, specifically the New Testament, and the principles of the Old Testament that He brought foward into the New Covenant. Christians believe that the references in the Bible to "saints" refers to all believers who have trusted Christ for salvation.

Almost nothing in Catholicism, except the last supper (of course this includes the crucifixtion and all of the characters mentioned in the Bible) is Biblically based, and even then, the doctrine of transubstantiation is not Biblical, either. Christ used the elements of bread and wine as a method of remembrance of Him. Christ taught that He was the only way to The Father, and that He and the Father "are one." Christ Jesus is the Messiah mentioned in the Old Testament, and He fulfilled all of the scriptural tests for His identity to be clear. Only by being "born again" by faith in Christ, according to the Bible, can one be saved.

Acts 4:12 says:
"Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."


Not Allah, not Mohammed, not Krishna, nope, "no other name."


So, to sum up, Christians follow doctrine from Christ in the Bible, and Catholics follow additional doctrine that is not in the Bible.

I hope this helps to determine the difference in beliefs for you.

 

[GogglesPisano]

The 700 Club. Now THAT's entertainment!

The only thing more entertaining that the would be to .... hmm, let's see -- I know!

Book a trip to:

The New York Times, May 1, 2004, Saturday
Darwin-Free Fun For Creationists

By ABBY GOODNOUGH (NYT) 1412 words
Late Edition - Final , Section B , Page 7 , Column 5
ABSTRACT - Article on Dinosaur Adventure Land, creationist theme park and museum in Pensacola, Fla, that offers message that Genesis, not science, tells real story of creation; Kent Hovind, minister who opened park in 2001, says park's aim is to counter science centers and natural history museums that explain evolution using Darwinian theory; photos (M)

 

[Timebuilder]

I know Kent. He's a great guy, and his park is a great idea.

Read Dinosaurs by Design by Duane T. Gish, Phd.

 

[GogglesPisano]

Is there a Flat Earth theme park, too?

How about a display entitled "Why the Moon is made out of Gorgonzola and not Pamersian -- as the unsaved secular humanists would have you believe."

 

[Snakum]

I want to stipulate that my hipshot, ranting, post is not directed at TB and other Christians here who, from all appearances (meaning ... the way they conduct themselves among their fellow man) are relatively ( ) rational and respectful. Rather, it is directed at full-bore looneys such as 100LL and his ilk.

I've merely decided to fight fire with fire.



Minh

BTW ... I do LOVE the way Christians like to point out who is, and is not, a TRUE Christian. It always reminds me to check in with Betty Bowers and see how the old gal is faring among the financially destitute unbelievers.

 

[skyking1976]

It always reminds me to check in with Betty Bowers and see how the old gal is faring among the financially destitute unbelievers.

Who?