Regionals Stink

[328dude]

Christ, answer this guys post intelligently and turns out he's a weekend warrior driver.

Desiday, why all the bull**CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**?

 

[BoilerUP]

If you want turbine experience, be a freight dog and fly a Caravan by yourself at night in the ice. Get some "real world" experience before hanging on to the coat tails of a captain at a regional where all you're good at is squalking and talking. Make some descisions for yourself and earn you're own money.

I'm a captain now for a regional flying a CRJ. I'm sick and tired of all the "broads " and young boys who had daddy pay for their hours and aren't worth a $hit flying. They need to pay their dues and get some "real experience" before they fly with me. It is so disgusting what they're (the regionals) putting through nowadays.

What a bitter, whiny person you are. Thats it, be jealous of all the "broads and young boys" out there who made something of themselves. Curious what you consider "real experience", does dealing with students trying to kill you or dodging Level 5s count? Bet you're an awesome CRJ captain.... on MSFS 2004.

I'm getting ready to go take my B727 systems final...I don't think my perfect sim check was good enough for "daddy" to keep funding this waste of money called a college education. Have fun in your 172!

 

[OakRBust]

I know that we can bump something to the top... but is there any way we can bump something to the yahoo message boards???


Ho Ho Ho

 

[Air Biscuit]

I know, everyone thought that they were
going to a regional for a year or two and
moving on...now there isn't anywhere to
move to, and that is the real problem.
That and now everyone seems to think and
act like since they can't move on they deserve
a mainline payscale, which is not reasonable.
In fact, the people that have to fly the airplane,
like Junkstream and 1900 drivers should get
paid MORE than rj drivers!

Ha. HAhahahaha!

Flame ON, I'm ready!

PS...if you think that I like management, ask
probablecause! Those puttya$$ed nitwits!

Hey Fire Belcher, why do you think nobody is moving anywhere? It's because you and people like you agree to B through Z scale wages. Please explain to me why I don't deserve a mainline payscale when I am doing mainline flying. I can't wait to hear your brilliant response. Jerk!

 

[belchfire]

Okay air biscuit

I'm flying jetstreams and they've never
done any "mainline" flying. I'm putting
in my time hoping to get somewhere
that I can buy Christmas presents and
stop eating frigging noodles...if that is
b-z scale flying to you, whatever dude.
I am not at mesa.

You don't deserve mainline pay because
1) your jungle jet cannot generate the
revenue that a 73 can

2) you are doing "mainline" flying? Wonder
why your "mainline" has taken their
expensive crews and equipment off of that
and put your toy jet on it? $$$$$$

3) If you want a doctor's pay, be a doctor.

4) ALPA, like it or not, really does want to
protect the mainline payscales, and keep
the "regional" payscales destictly lower.
After all, they did sign off on the mesa
contract that I read so much about!

5) You are helping your "mainline" cover
work that belongs to "mainline" pilots,
effectively stealing their jobs. Now you
want their payscale too. Have you no
shame?

6) You called me a jerk.

Ha......hahaha

 

[Alaskaairlines]

Well, hopefully the "it'll get better" scenario actually happens, and the industry gets back up and going, just like the good ol' days.

 

[wil]

I tallied my pay to 12/15. Not counting the 3500.00 in perdiem, I grossed 56K. Not great for a 3 1/2 year Capt, but, given the conditions, not too bad. I think a 5 year RJ Capt is worth 85 per hour, IMHO. I hope we will, one day, be appreciated and get those rates- Wil

 

[belchfire]

Wil

That's great! One problem with incomes
is that expenditures always grow to
meet/exceed them...the American Dream!
I wish that I could get brand X 5th year
mainline CA pay for a year, live at my
current expenditure level, then walk up
and plop down the lump sum for a
house and a new car for my wife! (I don't
want anything too nice to leave in the
airport parking lot for myself). Can you
believe those people that can afford a
MBenz and are so cheap they park
outside at the airport?

For the first time since I quit flying in
The Greatland (1999) I am going to
break $30 K. That's as a 4th year CA
at Corpex...pathetic, I know.
I can't remember if it is 3rd or 4th yr
that the fo jet pay goes past me at
mesa...it seemed like I was making
a good choice at the time. I gotta
get a new crystal ball!!!

Soooo, why do we fly at "regionals"?
Well, it got me out of hauling trash
for even less money in an Aztruck that
I had dual gen failures in twice...yes,
lost both of them on two seperate
occasions. IFR. I can't imagine sitting
next to someone in a 150 and trying to
keep them from killing me!

Hope that everyone has a Merry
Christmas and a much better
New Year.

 

[GogglesPisano]

Not all regionals are that bad.

I was hired at ACA and made a miserbale $22,000 my first year (1999.) BTW, i did not PFT.

I upgraded to DoJet Captain after 14 months. Since then I've made no less than $60,000 - $75,000/yr. I am currently a CRJ CA making approx $80,000 (not incl per diem.)

In a year or so I should be an Airbus FO making the same amount.

 

[Air Biscuit]

Okay air biscuit



You don't deserve mainline pay because
1) your jungle jet cannot generate the
revenue that a 73 can

2) you are doing "mainline" flying? Wonder
why your "mainline" has taken their
expensive crews and equipment off of that
and put your toy jet on it? $$$$$$

3) If you want a doctor's pay, be a doctor.

4) ALPA, like it or not, really does want to
protect the mainline payscales, and keep
the "regional" payscales destictly lower.
After all, they did sign off on the mesa
contract that I read so much about!

5) You are helping your "mainline" cover
work that belongs to "mainline" pilots,
effectively stealing their jobs. Now you
want their payscale too. Have you no
shame?

6) You called me a jerk.

Ha......hahaha

1) I understand that a jungle jet doesn't generate the revenue of 737, but a 737 doesn't generate the revenue of a 777 either but they are on the same sliding scale we however are way off that scale.

2) You're right as I said in my last post. The "regionals" continue to grow while the mainline shrinks because of the whored out labor costs. The 70 and 90 seat market will be the next boom at the regional level while the mainlines will lose more and more good paying jobs.

3) You sound like the CEO of Express Jet at the IPO meeting a few years back when he was being bombarded with questions about the implications of it. "If you don't like it leave, I'll help you pack your **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**." "I didn't tell you guys to become pilots. That is the chance you took. You could have become doctor's or lawyers if you wanted to make more money." Well no **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** Sherlock just because I chose a career that I enjoy doesn't mean that I should give up my right to live a good life outside of work for myself and my family. Were pilots not truck drivers for God's sake.

4) I agree with you on this one and it makes no sense as mainline carriers leverage for pay increases get less and less as regional power continues to grow.

5) The mainline's are just as much to blame for the erosion of their flying as the pilot's who vote yes on these **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**ty contracts.

6) I'm sorry for calling you a jerk. I really do wish you well and feel bad for your family who has to go through this with you. In my opinion if you are flying a 1900 on up for a name brand airline you should be on the same **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** pay scale.

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

Wil,

Before you judge what I am saying, please read this entire post. You say a 50-seat RJ Capt should be making $85/hr at his 5th year. That equates to $1.7/hr per seat. By that reasoning a MD-80 Capt in his 5th year should be making $238/hr (140 seat). Unfortunately, that kind of cost is what is making the majors cut schedules and lay people off, while regionals are growing.

As for the, "but RJ's are cheaper to operate than mainline equipment", before I was laid off we were all given a list of all the fleet types AA operated and the cost assosciated with just the aircraft. It really opened my eyes that the RJ was 3.5 TIMES more expensive to operate that the most expensive mainline jet they have. In fact, the 50 seat Canadair RJ burns around 2,800 lbs/hr in cruise. The MD-80 only burns arond 6,000 lbs/hr. If you look at the burn per/hr per seat the MD-80 is WAY more efficient. The reason that RJ are making moeny is that the employees are CHEAP LABOR. Now if you change that one variable by saying we should get paid 40% more, well you just priced yourself out of a job. Then mailine jets become cheaper to operate, and overnight RJs start the one-way trip to Victorville, CA.

Of course, this is all just my opinion, everyone is free to make up their own mind.

 

[GLSoar]

Well Said Desiday

Freight Pilot=Real Pilot

 

[belchfire]

Dudes

Well put. And freight does rock!
Wish I could get to one that pays.

I know truckdrivers that make more!

Sorry, I don't mean to sound like any
management! But it is the bottom
line...we are in a very competitive
business. Funny about SWA's success
and they have no "regionals" feeding
them. Don Carty said "the model is
broke", then took his 82M and ran.

Base cost of flying a 19 seater (js-32
in my case) is even worse per seat
mile than the rj's. Don't have the
numbers, just overheard it.

I think that most ceo's are not worth
any more than the average of the
payscale at any airline, from the guy
that works on the honeybucket (for
you lucky guys that have one) to the
senior line CA.

JO sucks and everyone knows it. There
are more out there like him.

We, in the regionals are like all those
bar bands trying to get the deal with
a big record lable. Hundreds to every
one that succeeds...has been that way
for a long time. Now it's really bad as
far as moving up...not too many places to
go, and that really sucks but it will turn
around eventually.

I'll be out of here for a while. Everyone have
great Chritsmas!

See ya