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PALM SPRINGS, CALIFORNIA — November 9, 2006


ATP has always differentiated
itself from other flight schools
by flying mostly multi-engine
aircraft. The D-JET will further
differentiate ATP with the
addition of jet aircraft to the
training fleet.


Airline Transport Professionals (ATP) today announced its purchase of 20 Diamond D-JETs and 5 Diamond Flight Training Devices (FTDs) and the formation of a strategic training partnership with Diamond Aircraft, in which ATP will provide factory-approved initial type ratings and recurrent training in the Diamond D-JET at locations across the U.S.
ATP currently provides more pilots to the regional airlines than any other single flight school, college, or academy. With the D-JET, ATP will even better prepare Airline Career Pilot Program students for the regional airlines by supplementing their nationwide multi-engine experience with jet experience flying in a crew environment between ATP’s nationwide training centers. Already ATP trains students in a Cessna CitationJet for a jet aircraft introductory flight that includes high altitude and high performance endorsements. Operating efficiencies of the D-JET will allow ATP to dramatically increase the amount of jet experience, highly valued by the regional airlines, provided to Airline Career Pilot Program students. ATP has always differentiated itself from other flight schools by flying mostly multi-engine aircraft. The D-JET will further differentiate ATP with the addition of jet aircraft to the training fleet.
Diamond chose to work with ATP for D-JET training, initial type ratings and recurrent training due to its 22-year track record of providing consistently high quality, standardized flight training and affordable prices on a nationwide level. ATP has become the leading provider of multi-engine ratings and Airline Transport Pilot certifications in the nation. ATP will leverage this nationwide general aviation flight training experience to provide conveniently accessible training and initial operating experience to D-JET pilots. Diamond will deliver ATP’s first D-JET in July of 2009, about one year after starting delivery of production aircraft. As part of the strategic training partnership, Diamond will make aircraft available to ATP concurrently with the first aircraft deliveries in 2008, allowing the D-JET’s first delivery customers to receive training at any of ATP’s D-JET Training Centers. D-JET customers will be able to gain early access to D-JET training so that they are trained and ready to fly upon taking delivery of their aircraft.

“ATP looks forward to working closely with Diamond to ensure that D-JET training is readily available with nationwide convenience to D-JET purchasers. Our dispatch and flight operations team does an excellent job managing the logistics of our current fleet of nearly 100 aircraft. While monumental in the history of our company, 20 D-JETs will seamlessly integrate into the ATP system.” said Derrick Dennis, President of ATP.
Diamond Aircraft is dedicated to providing general aviation with safe, economical and inspiring aircraft. From facilities in London, Ontario, Canada and Wiener Neustadt, Austria, Diamond produces the DA20, DA40, DA42 and D-JET. For more information on Diamond Aircraft visit www.diamondaircraft.com or call 888-359-3220.
In 1984 ATP pioneered accelerated, professional multi-engine flight training with an emphasis on pilot career development. Today ATP’s Airline Training Programs prepare pilots for airline careers with nationwide flying experience in multi-engine and jet aircraft. Airline hiring partnership letters recognize the value of this experience by offering ATP pilots specially reduced flight time minimums for airline employment, enabling pilots to reach their career goals faster. ATP flies over 5,000 hours and provides more than 300 FAA pilot certifications each month at 22 locations nationwide. For more information visit www.ALLATPS.com.
 
Exactly....

Now instead of charging $100,000 for flight lessons in a seminole, they will be able to charge $500,000 to learn holding patterns and VOR approach in a barbie jet. What a deal, isn't it?
 
At the current and future regionals you're better off going to Bob's flying club and paying $40 an hr. What's mesa now 250 and 25, that's like 4 months of flying.
 
Yeah, but if you go to ATP, you can have like five people in the Diamond logging turbine PIC and going from zero time to a major airline...
 
That sucks. I fly a turbo prop and have worked hard to do so, now some snot nose kid will fly a jet for training~ WTF! O well.
 
That sucks. I fly a turbo prop and have worked hard to do so, now some snot nose kid will fly a jet for training~ WTF! O well.

Then he'll think he's better than you too because of his jet time, even though the thing weighs about 5,000lbs (we can carry more fuel than the entire airplane weighs). Then the ATP'er is going to ask you while you're trying to eat your asian chao why you wasted your time flying a turboprop!
 
That sucks. I fly a turbo prop and have worked hard to do so, now some snot nose kid will fly a jet for training~ WTF! O well.
Prop it will be ok as you don't have the debt they will have. Whether it's mommy or daddy paying. You are much better off and paying your dues. My hat off to ya bro.
 
guys.... its still SINGLE ENGINE turbine time... and it isn't an F-16 here.... What are majors let alone regionals gonna think of this time....

For the most part, ATP is a rating mill of sorts anyways. Now you are going to have "qualified" pilots with jet experience and have no "real world" experience getting hired before the CFI who has worked their a$$ off and has been around the perverbial patch a time or two.... I see regional airline training failure rates going up.....
 
Eagle maybe considered a major by the DOT retard, but what the DOT doesnt look at is infrastructure. None of the regionals have infrastructure that the major airlines have, which they also utilize to actually function as a 121 airline. Independence thought that they could actually compete against the major airlines and everyone from United to Alaska pushed them out of the market. No regional cant survive without fuel protection, paying for ground services, and airport landing fees. Sometimes I am actually amazed at how some regional airline pilots (prop or jet) actually do not grasp that concept. We are around cause the major airlines can make money off us, or we arent as much of a loss as their own pilots doing it.
 
Eagle maybe considered a major by the DOT retard, but what the DOT doesnt look at is infrastructure. None of the regionals have infrastructure that the major airlines have, which they also utilize to actually function as a 121 airline. Independence thought that they could actually compete against the major airlines and everyone from United to Alaska pushed them out of the market. No regional cant survive without fuel protection, paying for ground services, and airport landing fees. Sometimes I am actually amazed at how some regional airline pilots (prop or jet) actually do not grasp that concept. We are around cause the major airlines can make money off us, or we arent as much of a loss as their own pilots doing it.



I don't really see it that way. "Regional airline pilots" are "Domestic Pilots". The word "regional" only refers to pay scale and work rules. We fly all of the same routes with higher frequency. It is more like mainline couldn't survive without us. Try putting mainline aircraft on our schedule. It would be cost prohibitive. This is a scheme that was well laid out in the early 80's to massively redistribute the wealth. And, it seems to be working quite well.
 
Gentlemen,

I beleive part of this is ATP's diversifying its operations by offering training for those individuals who purchase a D-Jet and are required to have a factory qualified training program. This is actually a very smart move on their part as I can see the number of prospective pilots willing to drop 45 - 75k for a regional pilot job may be dwindling.

In regards to the accusation that ATP is a ratings mill your dead on. They do it extremely well. Get your tickets and move on. There is nothing wrong with that.
 
Spoken like a true gel spikin' , IPOD slammin' , backpack tottin' regional F/O.

I don't use hair gel, could not justify buying an IPOD, do not wear a backpack like a mo', and do not fly for a living...........yet......but when I do I don't plan on conforming to the stereotype......pops
 
I don't really see it that way. "Regional airline pilots" are "Domestic Pilots". The word "regional" only refers to pay scale and work rules. We fly all of the same routes with higher frequency. It is more like mainline couldn't survive without us. Try putting mainline aircraft on our schedule. It would be cost prohibitive. This is a scheme that was well laid out in the early 80's to massively redistribute the wealth. And, it seems to be working quite well.

To say that majors cant live with out regionals is absolutely absurd. The only reason why majors actually have feeders is it isnt cost efficient for them to run that route with their own planes/pilots. In retrospect now with reduced pay and regional a/c becoming larger, you will see more of those routes come back to mainline. For example, Doug Parker(ceo of the new us airways) said he wants to reduce his regional flying. If you take a good look at the E190 and compare it to layouts of the E170-175 you will see the seat range diff. is only roughly 11-17 seats. Depending on the configuration you put the a/c in. To split the profits between two companies (mainline & feeder) on a certain route is not as profitable as it used to be. More and more airline management is discovering that the loss value would be lower or profit would be higher doing that line of flying in house. But yes you will have routes that mainline carries just do not want to deal with. Look at Airtran and Jetblue, Airtran tried feed using Air whisky an the end they cancelled it, look at jetblue, they using their 190's for that purpose. Legacy carriers you will see in the future will follow those examples.
 
Gentlemen,

I beleive part of this is ATP's diversifying its operations by offering training for those individuals who purchase a D-Jet and are required to have a factory qualified training program. This is actually a very smart move on their part as I can see the number of prospective pilots willing to drop 45 - 75k for a regional pilot job may be dwindling.

In regards to the accusation that ATP is a ratings mill your dead on. They do it extremely well. Get your tickets and move on. There is nothing wrong with that.

So have you been captain to any Fo's from this ATP?
 
So have you been captain to any Fo's from this ATP?

His statement above clearly shows he has not. I have seen them in training granted and some do ok....but at least 50% are no sharper than the well trained Private/Instrument.
 
His statement above clearly shows he has not. I have seen them in training granted and some do ok....but at least 50% are no sharper than the well trained Private/Instrument.


Yes I have flown with pilots from all sorts of backgrounds - including ATP

What statement was that ??
 
His statement above clearly shows he has not. I have seen them in training granted and some do ok....but at least 50% are no sharper than the well trained Private/Instrument.

... Well said. Go to Joe's flight school. Get through your Darwin hours on somebody else's dime and while its still your own ticket.
 
To say that majors cant live with out regionals is absolutely absurd. The only reason why majors actually have feeders is it isnt cost efficient for them to run that route with their own planes/pilots. In retrospect now with reduced pay and regional a/c becoming larger, you will see more of those routes come back to mainline. For example, Doug Parker(ceo of the new us airways) said he wants to reduce his regional flying. If you take a good look at the E190 and compare it to layouts of the E170-175 you will see the seat range diff. is only roughly 11-17 seats. Depending on the configuration you put the a/c in. To split the profits between two companies (mainline & feeder) on a certain route is not as profitable as it used to be. More and more airline management is discovering that the loss value would be lower or profit would be higher doing that line of flying in house. But yes you will have routes that mainline carries just do not want to deal with. Look at Airtran and Jetblue, Airtran tried feed using Air whisky an the end they cancelled it, look at jetblue, they using their 190's for that purpose. Legacy carriers you will see in the future will follow those examples.

Your experience speaks...
 

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