Regional Pilots, just plain stupid, or?

[Dieterly]

I find it "funny" how all you ASA, ACA, Comair, COEX baby jet pilots can rip MESA for their new contract. You have been stealing flying from your mainline partners for years, while working with sub-standard contracts, at least compared to mainline.

What's the friggin difference what Mesa is doing now, that you have been doin for years?

 

[PilotRon]

BAIT BAIT BAIT...


Your right... the mainlines are doing soooo well right now... We should all jump on the ALPA bandwagon. ALPA has grown to big for their own britches. How can they represent the Majors and the Regionals fairly? It can't be done!

 

[mckpickle]

I find it "funny" how all you ASA, ACA, Comair, COEX baby jet pilots can rip MESA for their new contract. You have been stealing flying from your mainline partners for years, while working with sub-standard contracts, at least compared to mainline.

What's the friggin difference what Mesa is doing now, that you have been doin for years?

Do you really want to go there?

 

[Theflyingtito]

Supply and Demand as per available seats for the demand placed on the market. Simple economics. It has nothing to do with pilots of regionals having lower pay scales than their major partners. That's how it's always been. So to maintain a level of profitablity, WITHOUT undercutting the rest of the industry, regionals will gain more flying as the passenger load decreases with a poorer economic market demand.
No one wants to see people out of a job. But in order to do that we need to keep all companies operating instead of going chapter 7.

 

[Jeepman]

You were furloughed from Divided...er, I mean United Airlines right?

And we (regional pilots) took your flying away. It was OUR airlines decision to take that flying and not YOUR airline to give it to us. Gee, I have been so narrow minded all this time

 

[FishandFly]

Supply and Demand as per available seats for the demand placed on the market. Simple economics. It has nothing to do with pilots of regionals having lower pay scales than their major partners. That's how it's always been. So to maintain a level of profitablity, WITHOUT undercutting the rest of the industry, regionals will gain more flying as the passenger load decreases with a poorer economic market demand.
No one wants to see people out of a job. But in order to do that we need to keep all companies operating instead of going chapter 7.

Man, I've got to tell ya.. I've got a little bit of experience in economics and I'm clueless about half of what you said.

Please expound.

 

[mullet]

You have been stealing flying from your mainline partners for years, while working with sub-standard contracts, at least compared to mainline.

Apples and Oranges???????
Get a brain or sober up stupid!!!!!!!!!

 

[sleepy]

Well, at least we at ASA will probably still have jobs in a few years, that is more than can be said for some of the major airlines.

They started the race to the bottom at AAA and U, and will continue it at AA and DAL. When the dust settles from this thing, we will all end up ten years behind where we are today. On a per seat basis, the pay will not be any different between a major and a regional. Work rules, the same. Scope, gone. retirment, history. The only difference will be the size of the equipment.

 

[mullet]

Dieterly,
I noticed you are a civilian aviator, I would love to hear how you made it through the ranks' by avoiding the regionals? Maybe your signiature answers that question?????????

"............affirmative action........"

 

[GuppyPuppy]

On a per seat basis, the pay will not be any different between a major and a regional.

And just how different are they now?

If an RJ Captain makes $80,000/year flying a 50 seat aircraft, then are you saying that a Captain flying a 350 passenger airplane should make $560,000/yr?

Or are you saying that a Captain of a 50 seat aircraft should make $66,000/yr when compared to a Captain of a 150 seat aircraft who makes $200k/yr......or $50k/yr when compared to a 747 Captain making $350k/yr?

In each of the above examples, the "per seat" basis of pay is exactly the same ($1,600/yr/seat).

I wish I had a crystal ball!!!

Cheers!

GP

 

[canadflyau]

GuppyPuppy is 100% correct

My father flies for AA and the APA said if they were going to go for industry standard plus, then they would use Comairs contract b/c for the reasons stated by Guppy, they are the highest paid pilot group.

 

[wil]

Hey Dieterly- why don't you update that avatar and get off Lott's back. Maybe you could use former Klansman, Sen Robert Byrd (D)- you jerk-

 

[Ben Dover]

He's right

The only thing wrong with Deiterly's post is the phrase "stealing flying." After all it's a free market (well almost free) and companies can bid the work as they please. But he is 100% right regarding the double standard. Many of you have loudly criticized Mesa pilots for their recent contract. Yet, we as regional pilots have collectively agreed to work twice as hard, and earn a third as much as our main line brothers. As for me and my house, I'd rather work less and get paid more.

 

[LR25]

Ben, I am an ex regional flyer. When I was in class, I felt over qualified among my class mates. Except for a few, they all had a range of 700-1000 hours tt. A few had there temporary Multi ticket.

Im not bashing anybody, but when you say we "agreed" to work for less, I think that may be a little off.

What kind of experience did you have when you went to work?

What kind of experience did the mainliners have when they showed up to class?

By all means I'm not advocating the pay and conditions at the regional level, I was there, 14 hr duty, 7.99 in the cockhouse, but it is like another post said, apple to oranges.

And then theres the PFT thing, how do these people even start to negotiate pay, I mean come on.

If anybody here has PFTed in there career, they should exclude themselves from the debate. What leg do you have to stand on when it comes to pay?

 

[Ben Dover]

Im not bashing anybody, but when you say we "agreed" to work for less, I think that may be a little off.

LR25,
It sounds as if you believe experience should be the measure to determine pay. (I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, just trying to have an intelligent conversation.) I don't disagree with that. And I agree that some INDIVIDUALS hired at the regional level lack experience and thereby deserve less pay.

A couple thoughts:
First in my earlier post I believe I used the word "collectively" when speaking of regional pilot work & pay. Though there may be INDIVIDUALS with less experience at the regionals, I stand by what I said. I believe as a group, regional pilots should work less and get paid more.

Secondly, the way our industry in structured experience doesn't always count for much. A very experienced pilot in a new job, is at the bottom of the seniority list right along with the 1000 hr newby. It's unfortunate, that experience doesn't count for more when starting a new job.

Finally, apples & oranges. It used to be apples and oranges and in some markets it still is. But increasingly, it's becoming oranges and tangerines. Translation: SkyWest flys into Sun Valley because Delta's aircraft can't get in there (apples & oranges). SkyWest flys into Idaho Falls around nine times a day replacing Delta's two or three 727's that used to fly there (oranges & tangerines). The distinction between regional & mainline isn't as clear as it used to be.

Cordially,
B. Dover