Reduced fleet?

[minimums]

Just as the rumors have been alluding to, the FLOPS website now only lists the following aircraft for sale; Beechjet 400A, Hawker 400XP, Hawker 800XP, Citation X and Legacy.

Interesting. Any particular "focus" info?

 

[gunfyter]

I hear that this comes with a 20% across the board payraise too.

 

[dime line]

gunfyter.....what are you smokin

 

[gunfyter]

Just what I read on their pilot webboard.

I don't make these rumours up ... I just spread them.

 

[Whale Rider]

Just as the rumors have been alluding to, the FLOPS website now only lists the following aircraft for sale; Beechjet 400A, Hawker 400XP, Hawker 800XP, Citation X and Legacy.

Interesting. Any particular "focus" info?

FLOPS selling Citation X and Legacy???????? Didn't they just buy those birds last year?

 

[Heavy Set]

What about the Citationjet to compete with CS's CJ1? That lineup is probably a better reflection of mid-range customer interest (biggest "sweet spot") and covers the spectrum of types with the exception of the shortest-range and ultra-long-range jets like a Citationjet and then the GV, BBJ or Global.

I guess the current GIV, 601 and F50 pilots may be getting some Legacy time sometime soon...

 

[hawkercpt]

no

the DA-50 guys will go to the Cit X. the Challenger guys to the Legacy. Equivelant pay scale. Who know about the G-IV guys though.

 

[Heavy Set]

the DA-50 guys will go to the Cit X. the Challenger guys to the Legacy. Equivelant pay scale. Who know about the G-IV guys though.

I guess the current Legacy guys who aren't senior enough to stay will get bumped to the 800XP or the 400A. There ain't gonna be many people happy with that... Would a current 601 FO potentially transfer over to the Legacy as an FO or get bumped to a smaller aircraft? I know a lot of this is speculation at the moment...

 

[FracDaddy]

The truth is something like all of conjecture

By year end we will be operating a few B200, a few Challengers, maybe two or three Falcons, our current CJ fleet, maybe the GIV maybe not, a lot of Beechjet 400/A & 400XP, a boat load of 800XP, and a few Legacies. The CIII’s are gone ASAP, the old 800 are gone ASAP, the old DA50’s and Challengers ASAP.

Pilots are being reassigned to different fleets according to their seniority number. For instance if you are in the Citation III program you will go to the 800XP if you can’t hold it you go back to the small cabins but pay frozen. I think that somewhere around 285 is holding 800XP as a PIC.

The big question for me is what are they going to do with all the people that are extremely high numbers and in the Falcon and Challenger programs. For instance Sam H. in the Falcon program is a PIC. All he can hold is a small cabin PIC. If they don't make him go back to the small cabins then they shouldn't make any of the CIII PIC's go back to the small cabins. But unfortunately we have all seen how the company cuts these special deals for their fair haired friends.

Just another reason why we need to aggressively pursue aligning our self with the new union local efforts that NJ people are making. Email them, call them, talk to them on the road, send them love notes, what ever it take to let them know we are interested and to help them make their case with the IBT for a unified Fractional Pilot local.

 

[Live4flyng]

Just another reason why we need to aggressively pursue aligning our self with the new union local efforts that NJ people are making. Email them, call them, talk to them on the road, send them love notes, what ever it take to let them know we are interested and to help them make their case with the IBT for a unified Fractional Pilot local.

That's a great point Fracdaddy. If there are a majority of pilots at FLOPS who want to make this a reality, it can be expidited. Imagine the interest the IBT would have if your group signed petitons stating that if NJA pilots form their own local, you might be inclined to join it. A few hundred of those forwarded to Hoffa might just put some lubrication on the process. Your brothers at NJA eagerly await your arrival. It has to come from within, just as the Strong Union was formed by the majority of pilots who were fed up. It is illegal for an employer to fire you for trying to organize too.

 

[FracDaddy]

Safety in numbers

It is illegal for an employer to fire you for trying to organize too.

You'er right that they can't fire you for orgonizing, but if they know you are a open orgonizer they can always find some other reason to drop the axe. Until a union and some protections are in place Options is not an inviornment that allows us to be open with our union views.

I have spoken to one of your new MEC members about a way for Options pilots to regester on the new web site and begin to open up the lines of communicatons. You know the old saying "there's safety in numbers" , if the Options pilots were to join with you in a unified local it would increse your base by a full third, lots of dues and people power.

 

[SafetyTheSeat]

The new website: www.asapflightdeck.com



Read it….



Best of Luck!

 

[Live4flyng]

if the Options pilots were to join with you in a unified local it would increse your base by a full third

It would then be OUR dues, there is no I in TEAM.

 

[Frac Daddy]

FLOPS selling Citation X and Legacy???????? Didn't they just buy those birds last year?

A little sematics problem. When an airline says they are selling an aircraft, that means they are getting rid of them. When a frac pilot says we are selling a type of airplane, they usually mean they are selling shares of those planes to customers. Expansion. (Hopefully) This is the case with the X and Legacy. In fact, our management seems to be in love with the Legacy.

 

[Whale Rider]

Thanks FracDaddy,

For clarifying the semantics. I used to be a FracBrother myself. My bad for not remembering.

 

[XShipRider]

It was mentioned in the OCC many, many months ago that the GIV, CL601 and FA50 fleets would not be growing. It was oft rumored that this was prime NJ/FJ territory and extremely tough to compete with such a large and entrenched fleet.
Take that for what it's worth. If "Ronco" Ron Popeil decides to sell the FLOPs large cabin fleet on an informercial things could turn around quickly.