Redirect your Anger

[OldManPilot]

Fellow regional pilots:

Ok, I have sat back and not said a word on this website for along time. I have watched, and still see that "we" (regional pilots) still are embattled in a "lower the bar, we are better than you" views. LETS ALL STOP THIS....

"WE" did not create this monster....

Simply --> WE WERE ALL SOLD OUT BY THE PILOTS AND MANAGEMENT AT THE LEGACY CARRIERS. They, not we caused this massive growth in the regional market. Our regional companies just capatalized on the opportunity as any stock company with a finacial duty to its stockholders would do.



9/11 did not create this problem, it was simply an excuse which the LEGACY airline management used to their own benefit to lower their costs. The loads are still high on all carriers. You will see them now begin to post record profits and when its all said and done, Management will sit back and laugh at how they were able to get the LEGACY PILOTS to sell out their own. And how many years will it take to get back what was sold out? Many of will be long retired before that happens.

Lets stop fighting with each other and put the blame where it belongs....

My fellow pilots, we all love this job because its our passion. You can tell this by the strong views shown by those who post here. Lets stop fighting each other... If you want to make comments about how we have more planes flying at cheaper rates... go to the "Majors" board and let those pilots know how you feel for selling out and allowing this massive growth at the Regional level!!!

I gladly allow any Regional pilot on my jumpseat. Why, you might ask? Because we are all in this together and its time some of you realize that fact. I am afraid that it may be to late for us to help ourselves out by letting the LEGACY pilots know that we EXPECT them to hang on to their flying for the benifit of future pilots. But we can show solidarity within our own.

I hope this rant makes some since to at least a few of you.

Fly Safe.

 

[Boondock Saint]

While I dont necessarily agree with your whole post (Im not ready to point the finger at how /who got things the way they are) I do agree that this board has gone to shambles.

Too many people feel the need to start threads just to bitch. I realize there is a lot that people want to get off their chest...but the regionals board has become just embarassing.

Im truly sick of all the competition threads. We all know people go to different regionals (jobs) for different reasons. WHO CARES. Each may not be perfect in your mind...but why care what the other does?

I got out of the airline world...and am glad...but I sure hope this board doesnt reflect the attitude of you guys out there still doing it. If so, you guys are just making it harder on yourselves.

Fly safe.

saint

 

[BenderGonzales]

I blame about 50% of it on SJS. Too many folks willing to set fire to their contract in exchange for big shiny jets. Generation Y ("Why do I have to WORK to achieve my goals?") i

The other 50% I blame squarely on the senior pilots who control ALPA. Selling their fellow (junior) pilots down the river in exchange for retirement perks, protected payrates, crew meals... you name it.

ALPA's motto has been, "I've got mine. Screw you."

So there ya go. Now i've pissed off folks on both sides of the camp.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

Airlines that come in and compete with market share at a lower cost have ruined this profession. Your salary is so low so your company can sell "fun fares". If the airlines turned a profit over the past 5 years, this profession would still pay $250,000+. Pilots will give whatever it takes to keep their airline running, not because they want to sell you out, but because they have to.

 

[xcr600]

you have 173 post.....you have said lots of words

 

[BlueCanoe]

The 737 and MD-80 don't count if you were an F/A at US for 14 years.

Redirect anger? You usually bitch an awful lot at work if you don't get your way....

Just my observation....

 

[ReverseSensing]

So there ya go. Now i've pissed off folks on both sides of the camp.

Old news.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Fellow regional pilots:

"WE" did not create this monster....

Simply --> WE WERE ALL SOLD OUT BY THE PILOTS AND MANAGEMENT AT THE LEGACY CARRIERS. They, not we caused this massive growth in the regional market. Our regional companies just capatalized on the opportunity as any stock company with a finacial duty to its stockholders would do.

None of you were lead in handcuffs to your job. Each of you said, "Hell, I'll work for that!". There have been very few (1) strikes at a regional carrier which says alot about what the regional pilot is willing to do to remain employed at any cost. While relaxing scope has a great deal to do with opening the RJ floodgates, the regional pilot must accept their responsibility as well.

Why is GJTs operating? Why did Mesa sell it's soul to get Freedom in-house? At some point, the regional pilots have to take their futures into their own hands and improve working conditions themselves. And if the economics of their jets demands exploitative wages just to eek a profit, then the pilots that fly those airplanes need to stand up and reject that exploitation. It may very well cost pilot's their jobs to narrow the gap between the regional and the major (Indy, maybe XJT) but they will not owe the major pilots a thing for what they have earned.

 

[Bluestreak]

If you ever hear somebody say "I'm just here to get my 1000 PIC,then I'm outta here !" -look no further.Regional airline management knows a lot of pilots are short timers and the pay is set accordingly.Why would they pay us any more than they have to ? Out of the goodness of their hearts ? Maybe to make life easier on us until we can snag a job at Southwest,Airtran,JetBlue ,etc.? As long as this is treated as a stepping-stone job,this is the way it will be.

 

[D'Angelo]

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[D'Angelo]

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[D'Angelo]

None of you were lead in handcuffs to your job. Each of you said, "Hell, I'll work for that!". There have been very few (1) strikes at a regional carrier which says alot about what the regional pilot is willing to do to remain employed at any cost. While relaxing scope has a great deal to do with opening the RJ floodgates, the regional pilot must accept their responsibility as well.

Why is GJTs operating? Why did Mesa sell it's soul to get Freedom in-house? At some point, the regional pilots have to take their futures into their own hands and improve working conditions themselves. And if the economics of their jets demands exploitative wages just to eek a profit, then the pilots that fly those airplanes need to stand up and reject that exploitation. It may very well cost pilot's their jobs to narrow the gap between the regional and the major (Indy, maybe XJT) but they will not owe the major pilots a thing for what they have earned.

There havent been a lot of strikes because we regional pilots realize strikes are for the tards. Strikes are an old school solution. This is no longer an old school world therefore old school solutions dont work. Strikes are for lazy tards who like collecting unemployment. Luckily there are a lot of people who like working for a living. We all saw how well that eastern strike worked. A bunch of tards chanting then ending up starting all over in the unemployment line. People have a lot better things to do with their time than chant and color pretty signs. Sorry this is a post de-regulation world.

 

[Fly-n-hi]

If you ever hear somebody say "I'm just here to get my 1000 PIC,then I'm outta here !" -look no further.Regional airline management knows a lot of pilots are short timers and the pay is set accordingly.Why would they pay us any more than they have to ? Out of the goodness of their hearts ? Maybe to make life easier on us until we can snag a job at Southwest,Airtran,JetBlue ,etc.? As long as this is treated as a stepping-stone job,this is the way it will be.

I couldn't have said that any better.

 

[D'Angelo]

also on a side note how many people appricated what eastern did? NO ONE thats right NO ONE. Other airlines swooped in to get what was left of the flying without batting an eye. Why should some pilot group have to be the sacrificial lamb. I say screw all of you who just want groups like comair or xjt to go down in flames so you can get whats left of our flying!

 

[CaptainMark]

There havent been a lot of strikes because we regional pilots realize strikes are for the tards.

yeah..and that is why u r making 6/hr you idiot...

 

[PositionandHold]

There havent been a lot of strikes because we regional pilots realize strikes are for the tards. Strikes are an old school solution. This is no longer an old school world therefore old school solutions dont work. Strikes are for lazy tards who like collecting unemployment. Luckily there are a lot of people who like working for a living. We all saw how well that eastern strike worked. A bunch of tards chanting then ending up starting all over in the unemployment line. People have a lot better things to do with their time than chant and color pretty signs. Sorry this is a post de-regulation world.

You regional pilots don't strike NOT because strikes "are for tards" --whatever that is, what are you, ten?--but because you don't know any better, and a lot of you guys are young, and are using the job as a stepping stone, so you don't care enough to strike. Or don't have the sack. If you don't hold management accountable, or at least try, they'll have you by the balls and you'll keep making 20K a year. "Negotiations".. not open your legs and take it.

 

[D'Angelo]

You regional pilots don't strike NOT because strikes "are for tards" --whatever that is, what are you, ten?--but because you don't know any better, and a lot of you guys are young, and are using the job as a stepping stone, so you don't care enough to strike. Or don't have the sack. If you don't hold management accountable, or at least try, they'll have you by the balls and you'll keep making 20K a year. "Negotiations".. not open your legs and take it.

There is no need to hold management accountable because we are already livin it up baby! Strikes are for retards! No one will sacrifice their career ever again because we realize that no one gives a crap and will take your flying anyway once the liquidation is complete. I make double 20k per year thank you very much. Another union LIE. We actually have huge sacks. We dont give in to peer pressure and do whats best for us. We are saying NO MORE STRIKES, there are other ways.

 

[blueridge71]

ASA is about to take a strike vote. Not because we want to, but because you cannot negotiate with a stone wall.

I'd say that your FAs have more integrity.

 

[D'Angelo]

ASA is about to take a strike vote. Not because we want to, but because you cannot negotiate with a stone wall.

I'd say that your FAs have more integrity.

The FAs have no integrity. They are giving in to peer pressure. They also dont realize its not meant to be a career. Im not too worried though two things will happen. One ASA strikes, the contract is cancelled and the flying is filled up in no time. Or the ASA pilots stay smart and realize strikes are useless in todays environment. They get a raise on the 50 seater, a small paycut on the 70 seater and everyone is happy. Its a wonderful world

 

[blueridge71]

The FAs gave in to peer pressure? I'd say the pilots gave in to management pressure.

It may not be meant to be a career, but for many people it is. I made less than $15,000 last year. That definitely isn't a career. Nor is it a living.

I may not get a raise, but I dont' expect to take a paycut either, especially when there is no soft pay to speak of (with the exception of premium).

I don't want to strike, but I'll vote for one and follow through. If JA is as smart as I think he is, he'll work something out and protect his investment.

Personally, to the ALPA guys, I'd say stall. We've waited seven years for a contract. What's a couple more? If they want to settle, then let them make a deal. If they don't, we can stall until times are better. What we've got now is better than a pay cut by far.

 

[D'Angelo]

Stalling is actually a smart idea. If times are better theres no reason why not to try to get some type of MODEST deal.

 

[atrdriver]

I make double 20k per year thank you very much. Another union LIE.

Now that's something to be REALLY proud of. And you can thank your FA's that you still make that, because if they caved on their contract then your paycuts would have kicked in. And no one wants to see CMR fail because we want their flying, we just want to see YOU in the unemployment line.

 

[D'Angelo]

Now that's something to be REALLY proud of. And you can thank your FA's that you still make that, because if they caved on their contract then your paycuts would have kicked in. And no one wants to see CMR fail because we want their flying, we just want to see YOU in the unemployment line.

Of course you do, your scared of people who think for themselves. That is truly what unions fear most, people who arent afraid to tell the union they make enough and to SHOVE IT

 

[PositionandHold]

Of course you do, your scared of people who think for themselves. That is truly what unions fear most, people who arent afraid to tell the union they make enough and to SHOVE IT

D'Angelo, other than anti-union sentiment, what part of the status-quo of major/legacy pilot mentality do you have a problem with?

 

[FN FAL]

Overcapacity at the regionals was predicted two years before 9/11

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People will spend and extra 35,000 to whatever, to ensure that they or their kid gets a regional job.

It's the facts, jack.

 

[D'Angelo]

D'Angelo, other than anti-union sentiment, what part of the status-quo of major/legacy pilot mentality do you have a problem with?

I have a problem with unions that ruin good companies and lead their pilots into the paper shredder. Luckily pilots are starting to think for themselves now and refuse to bend to the unions will

 

[CaptainMark]

I have a problem with unions that ruin good companies and lead their pilots into the paper shredder. Luckily pilots are starting to think for themselves now and refuse to bend to the unions will

hey moron...ok lets get rid of alpa....now who will help block foreign control of u.s. airlines...try and secure pilot retirement pensions...counteract shoulder fired missile threats....continue the FFDO program...increase cargo security....continue to develop airport sinage and cockpit safety....i guess you will with that big 8/hr paycheck u pull down....please tell us...moron...

 

[COOPERVANE]

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[D'Angelo]

hey moron...ok lets get rid of alpa....now who will help block foreign control of u.s. airlines...try and secure pilot retirement pensions...counteract shoulder fired missile threats....continue the FFDO program...increase cargo security....continue to develop airport sinage and cockpit safety....i guess you will with that big 8/hr paycheck u pull down....please tell us...moron...

The final decision on open skies is not up to alpa. Sure they can say their opinion but the ball is really in the white houses court. Pensions were outrageous, a little trimming of the fat is needed though they shouldnt be eliminated all together, just brought down to a reasonable level. how can alpa counteract those missle threats? Do they have some super secret weapon to shoot down missles? Are they watching every single airport including the small outstations up and down the east coast ? Do they have eyes in the back of their heads? They arent the only ones watching for threats. FFDO is alive and well. The demand was there for it weather alpa pushed or not it would have happened eventually. Cargo security I know nothing about since I do not work in the industry however security is the goal of everyone. I also make more than 8/hr. Why do union guys always see the need to LIE? Oh ya they want people to see it "the union way or the highway"

 

[B727FA]

The FAs have no integrity. They are giving in to peer pressure.

How did the OH FA's give in? As I see it, b/c *they* held the line the pilots and MX contracts are still in tact. Gave in to peer pressure? HUH? Do you even know what you're saying?

They also dont realize its not meant to be a career.

Why can't it be a career? If they want to stay at a "regional" let them. Not every airline employee feels validated by the size of their equipment...