Recurrent management meetings...

[fischman]

Maybe, maybe not.

I have faith in the ability of our pilots to be smarter than the average bear.

 

[OPECJet]

Maybe, maybe not.

I have faith in the ability of our pilots to be smarter than the average bear.

I think most are. Some have yet to see the light, however.

 

[fischman]

I think most are. Some have yet to see the light, however.

There will always be few who never see the light, but I have faith in the pilot's ability to see when they are being played. The events of earlier this week should start many to asking questions. That is a beginning.

 

[BentOver]

Fortunately, or unfortunately (depending on what time of day it is!!) management hasn't realized yet that their tactics are doing nothing more than strengthening the Union. Maybe not all at once, but a few pilots at a time..

1) That ridiculuous savethegoldengoose blog.. If it wasn't such an immature rant it may have had atleast some credibilty. But the way it is put together and the blatant msg is so ridiculuous it does nothing but make the EMT look stupid.

2) The EMT's silly take on each and every meeting, correspondance or any other occurance... Do they really expect the pilot group to believe what they say? Do they really expect us to believe Luthi and company are just telling lies to their own Union? Do they really expect us to believe that it is Luthi sabotaging meetings? We, the pilots (or ex-pilots), are much smarter than the average employee at other union shops. We didn't go straight from high school to a guild union bending/banging metal for a living. (not that there's anything wrong with that. But most of us are educated enough to where we had options in life.)

 

[fischman]

Fortunately, or unfortunately (depending on what time of day it is!!) management hasn't realized yet that their tactics are doing nothing more than strengthening the Union. Maybe not all at once, but a few pilots at a time..

1) That ridiculuous savethegoldengoose blog.. If it wasn't such an immature rant it may have had atleast some credibilty. But the way it is put together and the blatant msg is so ridiculuous it does nothing but make the EMT look stupid.

2) The EMT's silly take on each and every meeting, correspondance or any other occurance... Do they really expect the pilot group to believe what they say? Do they really expect us to believe Luthi and company are just telling lies to their own Union? Do they really expect us to believe that it is Luthi sabotaging meetings? We, the pilots (or ex-pilots), are much smarter than the average employee at other union shops. We didn't go straight from high school to a guild union bending/banging metal for a living. (not that there's anything wrong with that. But most of us are educated enough to where we had options in life.)

Don't be so quick to put us on such a high pedestal. There isn't a group in history that went into a negotiation wanting to give in to management. They all get LEVERAGED into that position. The trick is to stay one step ahead of those who want to destroy our association, remove food from our tables, take the roofs from our children's heads, and destroy our families.

We must remain vigilant, ask questions, volunteer our time, talents, and professionalism, and most importantly, stay one step ahead of those who wish to do harm to our livelihoods.

MAINTAIN OUR LEVERAGE through unity, strict professionalism, and ADHERENCE TO THE FAR, CBA, AND FOM.

Wear your uniform with pride. Press your shirts, shine your shoes, wear your tie WHENEVER IN PUBLIC VIEW. Wear your oxygen mask when required. If your airplane requires maintenance be sure it is documented. If the company violates the CBA, file a grievance. You will NOT get into trouble even if you lose the grievance. ASK QUESTIONS! "Why is the company making this move? What is the consequence of this action? Why is the eboard doing this?" Learn to ask the RIGHT questions, and learn when to NOT ask questions (LISTEN)! Through that, will you find the truth.

Above all remember, safety, service, schedule. ALWAYS be sure that the Owners are WELL TAKEN CARE OF. They are the REASON WE ARE WORKING, and should be treated with the utmost respect and gratitude. We do NOT need to help management drive our customers away!!!

 

[BentOver]

Don't be so quick to put us on such a high pedestal. There isn't a group in history that went into a negotiation wanting to give in to management. They all get LEVERAGED into that position. The trick is to stay one step ahead of those who want to destroy our association, remove food from our tables, take the roofs from our children's heads, and destroy our families.

We must remain vigilant, ask questions, volunteer our time, talents, and professionalism, and most importantly, stay one step ahead of those who wish to do harm to our livelihoods.

MAINTAIN OUR LEVERAGE through unity, strict professionalism, and ADHERENCE TO THE FAR, CBA, AND FOM.

Wear your uniform with pride. Press your shirts, shine your shoes, wear your tie WHENEVER IN PUBLIC VIEW. Wear your oxygen mask when required. If your airplane requires maintenance be sure it is documented. If the company violates the CBA, file a grievance. You will NOT get into trouble even if you lose the grievance. ASK QUESTIONS! "Why is the company making this move? What is the consequence of this action? Why is the eboard doing this?" Learn to ask the RIGHT questions, and learn when to NOT ask questions (LISTEN)! Through that, will you find the truth.

Above all remember, safety, service, schedule. ALWAYS be sure that the Owners are WELL TAKEN CARE OF. They are the REASON WE ARE WORKING, and should be treated with the utmost respect and gratitude. We do NOT need to help management drive our customers away!!!

Agree 100%... Hopefully though, the pilot group at NJA is not as willing (or scared ) to sign off on a contract just to save their careers at the expense of others they work with.(like many many airlines have done)

I think the #2 most junior active guy said it best in his msg to the rest of the pilots...

 

[fischman]

Agree 100%... Hopefully though, the pilot group at NJA is not as willing (or scared ) to sign off on a contract just to save their careers at the expense of others they work with.(like many many airlines have done)

I think the #2 most junior active guy said it best in his msg to the rest of the pilots...

It all depends on LEVERAGE.

 

[BentOver]

It all depends on LEVERAGE.

What leverage do you foresee the company having?

IMO the only leverage they will have are furlough threats, which the new junior peeps have mostly voiced that they rather be furloughed than work under a lesser CBA. (Same with us furloughed. Many times we have stated we'd rather be furloughed longer than come back to a lesser NJA)

Luckily the one aspect of NJA vs. airlines that I like is that there are no RFP's going out for flying every 3 years or so. About the only other threat I've seen from the EMT is those Globals and Phenoms not showing up... No big deal to most because we don't have Shiny Jet Syndrome like some 23 yr. old pimple faced kid.

By the time all this goes down the economy hopefully will be rolling (2013-2014?) The EMT will have a tough time blming the fall of NJA on the economy.

 

[acaTerry]

There are a few pilots who come to this board who will not go to the union site.

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..and there are those who come here for a double dose of Fisch...as long as I, er, they, don't read the politics threads!:laugh::beer:

 

[fischman]

..and there are those who come here for a double dose of Fisch...as long as I, er, they, don't read the politics threads!:laugh::beer:

To want to be close to awesomeness is in itself, awesome. imp:

 

[BentOver]

Besides the EMT BS.....how busy has the flying been? More than last year this time? How's Christmas stacking up?


As much as dealing with the EMT and the 401k stuff sucks, how's the real matter at hand? The only thing that will get us back, flying more owners and sales?

 

[fischman]

I couldn't tell you. I've been on vacation.

 

[BentOver]

I couldn't tell you. I've been on vacation.

Get back to work slacker!!!!

 

[acaTerry]

I couldn't tell you. I've been on vacation.

Just started mine yesterday. Swore off the NJA boards to fulfill a "NJA free" vacation, but then I blow it by coming to FI

 

[rajflyboy]

Its busy busy busy on the road.

Guys don't you know the "Real Truth"

Customers are still staying with the company but they are just flying less

everything is still fine and hunky dory great.

So great that there isn't even a company Christmas party this year.