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Rez O. Lewshun
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Back to the point
To return to the point, yes it is hard to believe they would put out a test that is that difficult. TRU's and that sort of thing are basic and the guy who went to the Academy is correct, they prepare them for that. Coming from a cheap flight school and a CFI job I had no knowledge of these systems.It's just another obstacle and hoop you CFI's out there have to get around and over to get through the interiew process. There is a book made my AVSOFT on the CRJ. Most of the Gulfstream guys get it issued to them before they come to Pinnacle, which by the way I hear is no more. I heard they went through everyone in training and if you didn't have 1,000tt and 200 Multi they said Bye,bye to you. So there will be no more of that. It's about time those fella's learn how hard it is to build flight time to even get their foot in the door at any outfit, not only that but get some PIC time in any airplane so they can learn to "make decisions" And advice to the guy who is concerned about studying and spending money on a suit for interviews. Just study and get the suit ready. That way if you don't get hired at Pinnacle, you're sure to nail and interview and get a job somewhere else. Plus you'll have already been prepared for that interview process no matter where it is with a few minor exceptions of course. Most places have similiar ATP writtens, questions about Jepps and guys showing up in Blue suits with Red Power ties.
To return to the point, yes it is hard to believe they would put out a test that is that difficult. TRU's and that sort of thing are basic and the guy who went to the Academy is correct, they prepare them for that. Coming from a cheap flight school and a CFI job I had no knowledge of these systems.It's just another obstacle and hoop you CFI's out there have to get around and over to get through the interiew process. There is a book made my AVSOFT on the CRJ. Most of the Gulfstream guys get it issued to them before they come to Pinnacle, which by the way I hear is no more. I heard they went through everyone in training and if you didn't have 1,000tt and 200 Multi they said Bye,bye to you. So there will be no more of that. It's about time those fella's learn how hard it is to build flight time to even get their foot in the door at any outfit, not only that but get some PIC time in any airplane so they can learn to "make decisions" And advice to the guy who is concerned about studying and spending money on a suit for interviews. Just study and get the suit ready. That way if you don't get hired at Pinnacle, you're sure to nail and interview and get a job somewhere else. Plus you'll have already been prepared for that interview process no matter where it is with a few minor exceptions of course. Most places have similiar ATP writtens, questions about Jepps and guys showing up in Blue suits with Red Power ties.
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There is one other problem with the test. Some of answers they have, that are correct on their answer key are not the best choice from the answers you can pick from.
Also you don't need the CRJ manual. There is only two question about the CRJ.
1. critial AOA for CRJ.(ok you need the manual for this one)
2. Stall speed for any give AOA in a CRJ. Ans. Any plane can stall at any airspeed with a give AOA.
I see why they are losing 50% of their guys in ground school. If they are making up tests and don't know the correct answers to a test they mading up. How are they going to teach a 121 ground school and systems? I cannot image what their ground school tests would be like.
Anyway good luck if your going there for an interview.
Also you don't need the CRJ manual. There is only two question about the CRJ.
1. critial AOA for CRJ.(ok you need the manual for this one)
2. Stall speed for any give AOA in a CRJ. Ans. Any plane can stall at any airspeed with a give AOA.
I see why they are losing 50% of their guys in ground school. If they are making up tests and don't know the correct answers to a test they mading up. How are they going to teach a 121 ground school and systems? I cannot image what their ground school tests would be like.
Anyway good luck if your going there for an interview.
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I've seen this bullsh!t before at ACA. They would treat the airplane like the spaceshuttle. Guys like Rhiod would get to a regional training debt, and write an impossible syllabus, and the failure rate would be 50% or higher! And they would be proud of this. Doesn't the FAA fundamentals if instruction say something to the effect of ,"If a person is in a negative environment, they don't learn as well because they are not comfortable, that their field of vision narrows." Seems to me that if you retrain after a failure you cost the company money. If you rehire after someone fails out and pay the cost again, you cost the company money. ACA lost millions doing this sh!t. Ive flown with some of these high and mighty instructors, guess what, they are no better than anyone else, just more arrogant. If the higher ups at Pinnicle are allowing this to happen as a response to incompetence, then look out, because they are incompetent also. Just look what happened to ACA.
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Bull$hit!
Calling them dumb$hits, is speaking well of them then?
May you rot in hell, you wannabe fu-king moron!
Please someone decipher who this idiot is so we can paint his name through the industry and make his life hell, I would enjoy that very much.
You can take your "academy" and shove it in your a$$, you are paying your daddy's money (through the nose) for smoke up your a$$, I can so picture who you are, you are the loser at the interview who shows up talking about how "we use jepps at the academy, I've never even seen NOS charts, cause they are preparing us from the start to be airline pilots"
Fu-cking tool!
You probably wore a pilot shirt and 4 stripes in your 152, oh dont forget the hat with the scrambled eggs, gold or silver you moron?
I can hear u in the bar, talking to the fat chick, "Im a jet pilot baby, wanna see my license?"
"The Academy" WOW!
You know I was sitting next to one of these green idiots from one of these "academys" the other day waiting for my commute, and he told me that at these schools they dont even teach pilotage and dead reckoning anymore?
WTF, its just GPS on and off, thats all they know about navigating?
WTFO!!!
-Goo
Rhoid said:
Calling them dumb$hits, is speaking well of them then?
May you rot in hell, you wannabe fu-king moron!
Please someone decipher who this idiot is so we can paint his name through the industry and make his life hell, I would enjoy that very much.
You can take your "academy" and shove it in your a$$, you are paying your daddy's money (through the nose) for smoke up your a$$, I can so picture who you are, you are the loser at the interview who shows up talking about how "we use jepps at the academy, I've never even seen NOS charts, cause they are preparing us from the start to be airline pilots"
Fu-cking tool!
You probably wore a pilot shirt and 4 stripes in your 152, oh dont forget the hat with the scrambled eggs, gold or silver you moron?
I can hear u in the bar, talking to the fat chick, "Im a jet pilot baby, wanna see my license?"
"The Academy" WOW!
You know I was sitting next to one of these green idiots from one of these "academys" the other day waiting for my commute, and he told me that at these schools they dont even teach pilotage and dead reckoning anymore?
WTF, its just GPS on and off, thats all they know about navigating?
WTFO!!!
-Goo
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I find this all really disturbing. It would be a great choice for me because of location and everything...but the failure rate stuff really concerns me. I have every confidence in my abilities to succeed...but Im sure so did many of those other guys...I dont want to put one foot in the grave by jumping on a regional that is failing large quantities of people.
50% of the applicants fail before interview and then another 50% in ground school? Man. There has got to be a way to do it better. You would think if you have made it past the interview that your company wants you to work there and would favor on the side of getting you safely into the plane, but eliminating 50%. Is that average at regionals? From what I understand no, and many regionals that are doing well dont "weed out" like that.
Cripes man. What to do.
50% of the applicants fail before interview and then another 50% in ground school? Man. There has got to be a way to do it better. You would think if you have made it past the interview that your company wants you to work there and would favor on the side of getting you safely into the plane, but eliminating 50%. Is that average at regionals? From what I understand no, and many regionals that are doing well dont "weed out" like that.
Cripes man. What to do.
Hello,
I had two students when I was instructing that went down to Comair Academy, or whatever they are calling it these days. Neither one of them liked it, and said that the training they recieved at the "Mom&Pop" I worked for better prepared them for real-world IFR flying. I'm not saying that the ab initio process is flawed, because it has worked for years in the military and with many foreign carriers.
I think that the comments I've read here are a reflection of a basic lack of maturity and life experience. These kids get the big marketing hoopla about flying, but they don't have anything to compare it to. It's a shame, really. We are growing a large segment of the pilot profession thats more worried about minutae vice the "big picture".
My view is that short-cuts lead to short-comings. We aren't paid for what we do 99.99% of the time (routine line flying). We are paid for the times when the chips are down. Be it weather, mechanical difficulty at the least to downright life-threatening emergencies. Some of which aren't addressed in the CFM, FOPP, Memory items or QRH. EXPERIENCE is the only thing that will take the place of these items in the aforementioned scenarios.
I consider myself fortunate, because I learned through observation as a military flightcrewmember of how a professional aviator operates an aircraft and manages a crew. I learned the fundamentals of CRM and more importantly flight discipline. These are things that you will not learn in any "Academy". I also was lucky enough to flight instruct for 18 months where I really "learned" to fly and act as PIC. This lead to a positive, yet no-less challenging stint flying 135 cargo in a twin single-pilot. Currently, I fly as an SIC in the mighty Beech 1900. Where once again I am learning and being exposed to the decison-making process involved in being a 121 PIC.
It has been hard work getting this far and the bottom line is that these folks going to the "Academy" ( Academy is generic for any of them that is offering "fastest route to an RJ" advertizing spin). I think that these people are really short-changing themselves and are not complete pilots in my opinion. I know that some of you will vehemently disagree, but thats the way I see it.
A final bit of advice....NEVER, EVER be a LIABILITY to the Pilot-in-Command. If you are a crappy F/O then you know the rest of the story...
Regards,
ex-Navy Rotorhead
I had two students when I was instructing that went down to Comair Academy, or whatever they are calling it these days. Neither one of them liked it, and said that the training they recieved at the "Mom&Pop" I worked for better prepared them for real-world IFR flying. I'm not saying that the ab initio process is flawed, because it has worked for years in the military and with many foreign carriers.
I think that the comments I've read here are a reflection of a basic lack of maturity and life experience. These kids get the big marketing hoopla about flying, but they don't have anything to compare it to. It's a shame, really. We are growing a large segment of the pilot profession thats more worried about minutae vice the "big picture".
My view is that short-cuts lead to short-comings. We aren't paid for what we do 99.99% of the time (routine line flying). We are paid for the times when the chips are down. Be it weather, mechanical difficulty at the least to downright life-threatening emergencies. Some of which aren't addressed in the CFM, FOPP, Memory items or QRH. EXPERIENCE is the only thing that will take the place of these items in the aforementioned scenarios.
I consider myself fortunate, because I learned through observation as a military flightcrewmember of how a professional aviator operates an aircraft and manages a crew. I learned the fundamentals of CRM and more importantly flight discipline. These are things that you will not learn in any "Academy". I also was lucky enough to flight instruct for 18 months where I really "learned" to fly and act as PIC. This lead to a positive, yet no-less challenging stint flying 135 cargo in a twin single-pilot. Currently, I fly as an SIC in the mighty Beech 1900. Where once again I am learning and being exposed to the decison-making process involved in being a 121 PIC.
It has been hard work getting this far and the bottom line is that these folks going to the "Academy" ( Academy is generic for any of them that is offering "fastest route to an RJ" advertizing spin). I think that these people are really short-changing themselves and are not complete pilots in my opinion. I know that some of you will vehemently disagree, but thats the way I see it.
A final bit of advice....NEVER, EVER be a LIABILITY to the Pilot-in-Command. If you are a crappy F/O then you know the rest of the story...
Regards,
ex-Navy Rotorhead
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Sorry for the Hijacking my friend, but someone mentioned some colusion going on between Gulfstream and Pinnacle. Go to Gulfstream spend ALOT of dough...pass the test...get hired at Pinnacle. Or something to that effect. With your times and ATP I'd go to Comair, ASA or Air Wisconsin...Forget Pinnacle (Jet Gulfstream)
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