Recent article regarding pilot salaries

[Rez O. Lewshun]

WOW what a babe in the Avatur Dude!!!!

I want to fly corporate!!!!
Tired of the hags and fags

I had an avatar that looked exactly like Ty Webbs.... and I never got a compliment or Bravo Zulu....

Then I decide to post playboy playmate Nicole Whitehead, FAA Licensed pilot and it seems make Ty Webb look amatuer hour....

Having an excellent company ATC representative, who was a former controller, is the reason. He spent time in the tower asking questions and offering suggestions and working with the PHL folks. He worked hard to make PHL work for us, any other airline could have done that, but how many really tried?

The appreciation parties, I hear, that SWA holds in honor of the ATC folks might have something to do with it.....

In terms of culture and productivity, SWA is the Gold Standard that we can all learn from.....

SWA makes the legacy carrier's CEO's and Corporate Leadership look like dysfunction schools boys on Ritalin....

 

[NuGuy]

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[Flopgut]

Having an excellent company ATC representative, who was a former controller, is the reason. He spent time in the tower asking questions and offering suggestions and working with the PHL folks. He worked hard to make PHL work for us, any other airline could have done that, but how many really tried?

Lots of airlines have ATC reps. We don't throw parties for, and don't buy gifts for ATC. The sort of thing would get a legacy fined.

 

[slaquer5]

Lots of airlines have ATC reps. We don't throw parties for, and don't buy gifts for ATC. The sort of thing would get a legacy fined.

The other airlines have reps to put out fires . SWA reps try to make ATC and pilots work together as a team and make eveyone happy.

 

[SWA/FO]

Lots of airlines have ATC reps. We don't throw parties for, and don't buy gifts for ATC. The sort of thing would get a legacy fined.

You think Legacy operate under different rules then LCCs'?

 

[Flopgut]

I had an avatar that looked exactly like Ty Webbs.... and I never got a compliment or Bravo Zulu....

Then I decide to post playboy playmate Nicole Whitehead, FAA Licensed pilot and it seems make Ty Webb look amatuer hour....



The appreciation parties, I hear, that SWA holds in honor of the ATC folks might have something to do with it.....

In terms of culture and productivity, SWA is the Gold Standard that we can all learn from.....

SWA makes the legacy carrier's CEO's and Corporate Leadership look like dysfunction schools boys on Ritalin....

Part of the reason legacies are poorly managed is the lack of pairity in govt to corporate interaction. How do we get quality mgt when a legacy can't buy a break and the LCC model can do no wrong? If you aren't selling tickets at a price that makes staying at home more expensive than flying somewhere, the govt is going to make business pretty tough for you. If your a hotshot exec why sign up for that?

 

[Flopgut]

You think Legacy operate under different rules then LCCs'?

Yea basically. You can bend them to your advantage, legacies are held to the letter.

 

[Flopgut]

The other airlines have reps to put out fires . SWA reps try to make ATC and pilots work together as a team and make eveyone happy.

Our ATC folks deal with ETOPS alternates, LRN operations, polar routes, how to get around in China, stuff like that.

Your ATC guys are there to grease the wheels for SWA. If it helps out everyone, thats a distant 2nd, but thanks. My question is: Why did we have that problem in the first place? Why couldn't USAir get a break? Because there is a double standard.

 

[SWA/FO]

Why did we have that problem in the first place? Why couldn't USAir get a break? Because there is a double standard.

Or they were to dumb to realize there might be a better way. What is ramp control anyway - extra jobs.

 

[Whataburger]

Our ATC folks deal with ETOPS alternates, LRN operations, polar routes, how to get around in China, stuff like that.

Isn't that what dispatch is for?

 

[mdf]

Our ATC folks deal with ETOPS alternates, LRN operations, polar routes, how to get around in China, stuff like that.

These kinds of comments get old. Some people on this board think that flying international is some kind of miraculous occurance. I am sure there are a couple corporate guys out there who circle the globe in Falcon 900 with nothing, but a fuel card, some charts, and a wad of cash. Maybe if there lucky they get to use Universal. I know you like to work any anti LCC angle you can, but this one is has been beat to death.

 

[SWA/FO]

I am sure there are a couple corporate guys out there who circle the globe in Falcon 900 with nothing, but a fuel card, some charts, and a wad of cash. Maybe if there lucky they get to use Universal

That was me in a previous life!!!! I had forgotten about Universal folks!

 

[Benhuntn]

I am not sure if we are under paid or not. I make more money (2nd yr pay) now than I did at the end of a 28 yr mil. career and I make no personall sacrifices now. I aleways thought airline pay was the "goose that laid the golden egg". Just don't choke the goose like UAL did.

 

[Lame Lizard]

Shut yer pie-hole, Chuck, or we'll have the moderators run your ip address and block you permanently. What would you do, if you couldn't anonymously hurl insults at those who you feel so inferior to?

I guess you'd be stuck at your other favorite website . . . chickswithdicks.com or whatever.


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I'm not chuck. Run my ip address. I only insult when an idiot opens his mouth. You are that idiot. Here we have the insult hurling king known as Ty Webb, Best Pilot, Fletch 717 and -9 Capt accusing someone else of doing the same thing. Congrats on setting those controllers straight or whatever it is you think you did.

 

[800Dog]

I am not sure if we are under paid or not. I make more money (2nd yr pay) now than I did at the end of a 28 yr mil. career and I make no personall sacrifices now. I aleways thought airline pay was the "goose that laid the golden egg". Just don't choke the goose like UAL did.

Clueless.

 

[slaquer5]

Shut yer pie-hole, Chuck, or we'll have the moderators run your ip address and block you permanently. What would you do, if you couldn't anonymously hurl insults at those who you feel so inferior to?

I guess you'd be stuck at your other favorite website . . . chickswithdicks.com or whatever.


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Ty ip address is easy to change. All you need to do is call your provider tell them to give you a new one

 

[Bosley]

I'm not chuck. Run my ip address. I only insult when an idiot opens his mouth. You are that idiot. Here we have the insult hurling king known as Ty Webb, Best Pilot, Fletch 717 and -9 Capt accusing someone else of doing the same thing. Congrats on setting those controllers straight or whatever it is you think you did.

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Wow only 7 posts and you're already gaining popularity. I see you're picking up right where einstein left off.
But you are correct, you're not JUST chuck. You are also Einstein/lawman/texas croch rot/and boris yelling. Get a life punk!

 

[Flopgut]

Our ATC folks deal with ETOPS alternates, LRN operations, polar routes, how to get around in China, stuff like that.

These kinds of comments get old. Some people on this board think that flying international is some kind of miraculous occurance. I am sure there are a couple corporate guys out there who circle the globe in Falcon 900 with nothing, but a fuel card, some charts, and a wad of cash. Maybe if there lucky they get to use Universal. I know you like to work any anti LCC angle you can, but this one is has been beat to death.

OK. I made two comments here that are being misunderstood, my bad. International flying is NOT the be all end all. But, it does change your worldview. My airline services more cities in Central and South America than SWA goes to total. We serve twice the number of international destinations as SWA has domestic. I promise our ATC guys are dealing with a lot more than trying to get a plane off the gate in Philly 5 mins early. No chestbeating, just saying its complicated. SWA is profitable, you make more, upgrade quicker, your great, etc. etc. I'm just asking for a little credit; it is more complicated, OK?

Road rage is about personal space. People get angry when their personal space is invaded. We have that going on in our business. Years ago everyone got a fair (equal) amount of personal space and things went pretty smooth. Then someone started to push others' personal space limits and, just like on the highway, thats all it took. Whether it in the plane or the boardroom SWA strains everyone with the relentless desire to do whatever it is they want to do. (Push a min early, short apch, taxi just below stall speed) Maybe thats not all bad. Legacies need to evolve but it seems like we get shut down on the same sort of things SWA can catch a break on. Its getting old. Incidentally, what I loosly term road rage in this post is NOT going on when you fly international. Systems elsewhere just won't support it. Its actually pretty refreshing.

 

[slaquer5]

flop you seem proud of your airline, why dont you say who you fly for is it that Embarassing .

 

[Flopgut]

flop you seem proud of your airline, why dont you say who you fly for is it that Embarassing .

I'm proud of the work that my coworkers and I do. I think all the legacy airline workers do a good job we get little credit for and even less a pay premium for it. I don't want to play "my airline brand can beat up your airline brand".

 

[slaquer5]

flop, I will take that as you do not want to say...

 

[Flopgut]

flop, I will take that as you do not want to say...

That would be correct. And be in sharp contrast to the majority of SWA types that treat this forum like a SWA pride parade.

 

[Ty Webb]

I'm not chuck. Run my ip address. I only insult when an idiot opens his mouth. You are that idiot. Here we have the insult hurling king known as Ty Webb, Best Pilot, Fletch 717 and -9 Capt accusing someone else of doing the same thing.

Let's see . . . . . you've been on this board for a whole month, with seven posts to your name, and out of the thousands of flightinfo.com board members here, you "somehow" zoned in on the exact same 5 AirTran guys who have been handing you your frigging lunch every single day since the first day your stupid @ss first showed up here as Chuck Yogurt.

Hang it up, Chuckie, you stupid putz. Everyone knows who you are, and no one cares what you have to say. Gear up, shut up, and have fun in your 1900, 'cause you'll be staying there until you grow up . . . . and that will definitely be a long while.

 

[Ty Webb]

Give it a rest, clown, you've been made.

Chuckie/Lawman/ChuckYogurt/TexasJockstrap/Boris/Lizard- What a pathetic pile of puke you are.

 

[Bosley]

Hey Lame Lizard,

Seems you touched a nerve with this crotch rot. AGAIN TY, ARE YOU OR ARE YOU NOT A DUES PAYING MEMBER OF ALPA?

So when you answer and pm yourself, do you also hi-five yourself? Naah, probably too busy with you hand down your pants playing a short game of pocket ball. Loser!

 

[Lame Lizard]

So when you answer and pm yourself, do you also hi-five yourself? Naah, probably too busy with you hand down your pants playing a short game of pocket ball. Loser!

I've figured it out. YOU ARE TY WEBB.

 

[Bosley]

I've figured it out. YOU ARE TY WEBB.

And you are Bessie the cow!
Wrong again limp ****! But guess again Einstein. How goes the job at Skyway? You upgrade to "lead" flight attendant!

 

[ivauir]

Philly is an excellent example. Nobody wanted to do anything to help USAir out, SWA shows up and suddenly the airport and ATC start to care.

This is a better example than you could know my freind. As the scheduling gods would have it I did a lot of flying into PHL when we first opened it. I had to do double go arounds was flipped the bird, had my alley way blocked, a plane pulling into the gate at night turned its strobes on right as its wing went by our cockpit and then turned off .... blah blah blah. Every Captain I flew with kept his cool and we all bit our tongues. I do not take the actions of these few to represent the whole of Usair. A very small number of unprofessional USAIR types in an otherwise outstanding group. I'm only bringing this up because you opened the door.

I have never seen or heard of a single SWA captain doing anything similar - I've never been to pro standards but someone intentionally sending another carrier around would do it. If you needed SWA to go faster into SAT you should have spoken up, inside of 5 miles I need to keep uncle Bob happy, but otherwise ever single one of us will play ball.

ATC gets paid the same no matter who they are handeling. If you think we get any special treatment from ATC you are either paranoid or something about the way the different carriers interact with ATC influences their actions. Have you considered that maybe SWA has earned a reputation of being easy to work with that your carrier has not?

 

[Spectre]

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2006/05/14/business/0515-nat-MILLIONAIRESweb.gif

Great chart, however, there are no 12 year Captains at JetBlue. Furthermore, that figure doesn't include that JetBlue pilots are paid 150% hourly rate over 70 hours. I think that would raise JetBlue to be somewhere in the upper middle of the pay scale.

 

[Kid Charlemagne]

It's all about puchasing power

I wonder how many of the airlines have regular cost-of-living increases as part of their pay package? And if so, are they tied to the gov't published inflation rate?

After all, salary is only worth what it can buy and I see a lot more inflation lately. Seems to me that even if you get a raise of a couple percent, you're still taking a pay cut in terms of real dollars....