Really scary rumor

[belchfire]

I heard that JO has offered US Airways
$50M for Piedmont.

Might want to call AERO!

Good luck!

 

[328dude]

I dought it. I would be surprised JO buys anything for awhile after what happened with ACA.

 

[meanstreak]

It's PSA he wants. US Airways needs the money and Mesa wants the jet options PSA has.

 

[bob evans]

Thanks, I needed a good laugh. $50 million for piedont. that's a good one.

 

[belchfire]

Actually it was for all the wholly-boneds,
sorry...

Still don't know if it is true...

 

[Intruder One]

You are correct he wants all of them for 200 million............

 

[Bluestreak]

It's not a rumor !

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04013/260744.stm

 

[liv'n_on_credit]

Mesa's labor costs are less than those at US Airways, allowing Ornstein....

allowing Ornstein to screw over any pilots who transfer to Mesa with the merger.

 

[g159av8tor]

You are correct he wants all of them for 200 million............

Now that we at ACA kicked Ornstein's ass up and down Northern VA, and he limped away black eyed with his tail between his legs (I've heard he actually has one). Now, he is BACK PO'd, banged up and ready to take on a more vulnerable man.

Why won't he go away? Give him another kick-in-the-pants.

Hope you Wholly-owned dudes bring more than a gun to a knife fight, that motherf-er doesn't fight fair.

Tailwinds...

 

[belchfire]

aw jeeze...I was hoping it was just one
of those baseless stupid rumors, like the
one about corpex getting jets...

hope AERO figures that the charity they
should give the leftover funds is blocking
this sham!!!

I hope this comes out right for you guys!

 

[exphojump]

It could be a good deal for the regional industry as a whole.

The USair express pilots are doomed anyway.

With this deal Mesa can get some experienced CAs to offset the San Juan graduates. Although the USair express pilots will take a major hit in pay and work rules initially, they will provide backbone for a decent contract in 2007-8. Plus, all those Mesa pilots who voted for quick upgrades on their contract will enjoy the FO rates they negotiated and hopefully aide in the fight for decent contract next time.

JMO

Is it better to unemployed without a seniority number like the Midway pilots or have a Mesa seniority number and having the option of leaving when you want to?

 

[upndsky]

Does Mesa have the cash to buy the WO'd? The ACA deal was going to be a stock swap, but USAirways needs dollars. I doubt they would take $200 million's worth of Mesa stock.

 

[Dash8]

It could be a good deal for the regional industry as a whole.

The USair express pilots are doomed anyway.

With this deal Mesa can get some experienced CAs to offset the San Juan graduates. Although the USair express pilots will take a major hit in pay and work rules initially, they will provide backbone for a decent contract in 2007-8. Plus, all those Mesa pilots who voted for quick upgrades on their contract will enjoy the FO rates they negotiated and hopefully aide in the fight for decent contract next time.

JMO

Is it better to unemployed without a seniority number like the Midway pilots or have a Mesa seniority number and having the option of leaving when you want to?

so be cause we're 'doomed' we are supposed to just roll over and let the biggest waste of O2 on the planet continue to ruin this industry and thousands of peoples lives?
trydrinking more kool-aide

g159 unforutnately we do'nt have any say in the matter like ACA did, the davel could very easily pull out the rug from under us

best thing is if we did have to go to mesa, i'm sure between most of us we could give a really good effort to financially ruin JO and drive him out of the business

 

[belchfire]

It would be better if US Airways treated their
wholly-owned airlines like part of the team
instead of liabilities.

I have no fuquing idea how letting JO have
anything resembling control over more
crews and A/C would be good for anything
except JO, and he didn't even rate a lump of
coal in his stocking...a rubber band around
his gonads maybe...but...what are you self-
medicating with?

Since that is not the case I will defer any
answer to yourquestion to those involved.

As for getting qualified CA's, I only hope that
the guys, if they get bought, are able to get
DOH. I would doubt it, as that would force JO
to spring for a bunch of training to the jets.
More probable is being seatlocked at the
Mesa Dash rates untill and if the Dashes go
away, being displaced to those bases
that still have them while they are phased
out.

I am unaware of any situation where JO has
been trustworthy in any negotiation. Three
years is a long time to wait to try and turn
things around, especially when you were
getting paid alot more and had a better qol.

Things have been rough for a long time at the
owned -Express lines, and while most people
have had a bad ride over the last few years
(including me and the rest of my temp pool)
but to those that are looking at another
loss, my most profound condolences.

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

EXPHOJUMP,

I was a PSA dude back in the mid to late 90's and I hope nothing but the best for PSA (except for Kusher). Unfortunately, the Mesa pilots will try to justify a staple of all the USAirways Express pilots due to the economic prospects at the time of the buy-out. AA did it to us TWA pilots, and look where almost all of us are (furloughed). The junior Mesa pilots will jump at an oportunity to be YOUR Capt since they were the purchasing airline. If you believe this has ANY chance of happeneing, you need to start working with your ALPA reps right now to avoid a staple and downgrade. If it happens that the Mesa pilots are willing to negotiate a merger, then you are that much more prepared for it.


Good luck, and DON'T trust ALPA National.

 

[belchfire]

TWA 2 ASA FO

Yours is a situation that never should
have happened!

 

[PDTGIMP]

Bruce Ashby Pres. of Express has called all the union leaders and managers at ALG and PDT to a meeting at 9am in PIT tomorrow.

Most seem to think this will be the public release of info regarding the transfer of ALG's assets to PDT>

I, although I'm usually wrong, beleive that would be expensive to complete right now. I think, after reading JO's article and given that he calls the press for a story frequently before he makes a move will announce they are going to petition the ATSB for a sale of PDT and ALG assets to MESA.

Regardless, it will be an interesting day on the line tomorrow.

 

[exphojump]

I'm an ACA pilot and am not wishing ill on USair express carriers.

One of my best friends is a Piedmont FO and hates Mesa.

But if Piedmont and Alleghany pilots get DOH on the Mesa seniority list even if their pay seniority gets reset(like the CCAir pilots). It's still a better deal than USair is giving them, death by a thousand cuts.

Ironically Mesa might just be the place for many Piedmont/Alleghany guys to get PIC jet time and move on to better things in a few years.

The Piedmont and Alleghany guys I've met through the years are a fine group of pilots and I wish them the best in this FUBAR situation.

Here's to USair express guys getting DOH at Mesa

It would be nice if Horizon or Air Whisky were interested but with Dashes in this day and age that ain't gonna happen.

 

[Dash8]

just do'nt see how we could get DOH
alpa certainly won't go to bat for us (as usual) not that i want to go to mesa anyways, i could care less about being in an RJ, particularly if its one of those horrid pygmy built junk jets

 

[OldManPilot]

All those posts by ALG and PDT pilots about "Mesa lowering the bar."

It would be poetic justice to see them bought by Mesa.

 

[CitationLover]

if mesa does buy the wo's you will hit the street? your piss poor attitudes regarding mesa in the past (specifically at the pilots who are just as unhappy with their sh!t contract) is going to come and bite people as the mesa "a$$holes/bottom feeders/insert adjective here" will want the wo's on the bottom of the seniority list.

any pdt/alg/psa pilot who bad mouths mesa yet takes this if it happens is a hypocrite.

i still don't know why jo would want to buy them. what makes him think he can make money on them?

 

[79%N1]

"All those posts by ALG and PDT pilots about "Mesa lowering the bar."

It would be poetic justice to see them bought by Mesa."

No, that would not be poetic justice, it would be a horible irony!

 

[storminpilot]

http://biz.yahoo.com/djus/040113/1458001381_2.html


Dow Jones Business News --- Mesa Air Would Be Interested in Buying US Airways' Assets

Tuesday January 13, 2:58 pm ET
By Elizabeth Souder

NEW YORK -- Mesa Air Group Inc. (NasdaqNM:MESA - News) Chief Executive Jonathan Ornstein said the regional airline is considering buying assets from US Airways Group Inc.(NasdaqNM:UAIR - News) .

US Air confirmed last week it hired investment bank Morgan Stanley (NYSE:MWD - News) to develop scenarios to get the airline back into the black. Those include selling gates, routes, planes, aircraft delivery positions, regional jet operations, the airline's shuttle service, and assets at some hubs, The Wall Street Journal reported.

Mr. Ornstein told Dow Jones Newswires he is considering all possibilities, but wants to remain a US Air partner, rather than a competitor. Mesa currently operates regional flights on behalf of US Air.

"We certainly hope that US Airways doesn't have to sell any assets," Mr. Ornstein said. But if the airline must sell, "we would certainly be a likely candidate for opportunities."

The Wall Street Journal reported last week that US Airways, which recently emerged from bankruptcy protection, is pitching its US Airways Shuttle service, which operates hourly flights between Washington, New York and Boston, along with slots in the three cities. US Airways is also pitching its regional operations along with its aircraft and aircraft orders, and US Airways is looking for buyers for assets at hubs in Philadelphia, Pittsburgh and Charlotte, N.C.

Mr. Ornstein said Mesa isn't ruling out any possibilities, meaning the airline may consider buying not just the regional operations, but hub assets or the shuttle operation, which Mesa might operate as a partner, on behalf of US Airways.

"Anything we do would be in cooperation with US Airways," Mr. Ornstein said.

Mr. Ornstein said such acquisitions wouldn't force the airline to go to the markets for more capital. "Mesa is very well capitalized," he said. "I don't foresee that requirement at this point."

Other airlines, including Continental Airlines Inc. (NYSE:CAL - News) and JetBlue Airways Corp. (NasdaqNM:JBLU - News) , wouldn't comment on whether they are considering the US Airways assets.

The airline would need the agreement of the Air Transport Stabilization Board, the federal panel that provided $900 million in loan guarantees to back the carrier's $1 billion bankruptcy-exit financing, in order to sell anything, The Wall Street Journal reported.

- Elizabeth Souder, Dow Jones Newswires; 201-938-4148

 

[wscrj]

A Fence more likely

Hello all,

A staple is highly unlikely. Much more likely is a fence to keep people where they are for awhile. A staple job is just bad karma for everyone. I certainly wouldn't want to be a part of one, so how can I justify asking for it?

One thing Mesa(Merge Every Small Airline) has done before is merge folks together.

Good luck to us all.

 

[WSurf]

79%N1,

Get a f uk i n life... Everyone in the regional industry talks crap about Mesa, it's only natural. Dash 8 drivers making more money and having better work rules then guys flying jets!!!!! Before our FA took pay cuts they where making more money then Fo's at MESA. Yea, I work for one of the wo's and yes I have bitter feeling towards Mesa after they went 87% yes on there last contract. It's a race to the bottom and thank god for Mesaba for holding the line.
But to sit back and say it would be funny to see mesa buy PDT or ALG isn't funny. You should support a pilot group that has worked soooo hard to make regional a better place to be with better pay and work rules. Mesa had a chance when they bought CCAir, they had the ball. But did they run with it? No they laid there and let JO get them from behind, even with out using and lub.
Mesa buys, well then, I guess I am out of the industry... There's no professionalism left in the business, thanks to guys like you.... Have a good life in the job field you have chosen.

 

[WSurf]

its for you too old,,,, whatever you are...

 

[cl65200]

".....I have bitter feeling towards Mesa after they went 87% yes on there last contract. It's a race to the bottom and thank god for......"

---Well, you are obviously not very familiar with the outcome of our new contract and the circumstances it was negotiated in....



"Mesa had a chance when they bought CCAir, they had the ball. But did they run with it? No they laid there and let JO get them from behind, even with out using and lub."

---Not that I expected it, but you are not very familiar with our old contract either......
I will be very amazed if J.O even wants to tuch ALG or PDT with a long stick. Mesa's RJ's makes good $, but our turbo-prop operation goes with (huge) loss. If WO's t-prop operation are so profitable, why sell?
I belive Mesa pilots would not like to see ALG or PDT into Mesa AG, just as much that you guyes want to avoid us.
I can see him going after the Shuttle, and maybe PSA ( to get the extra Rj slots...)

 

[enigma]

so be cause we're 'doomed' we are supposed to just roll over and let the biggest waste of O2 on the planet continue to ruin this industry and thousands of peoples lives?

JO isn't ruining this industry. He has no ability to ruin peoples lives, we do that by begging him for a job. He will never treat people any better than they ask to be treated and that makes him a POS, but the blame for our problems is looking at us from the mirror. As long as he has more applicants than he has jobs, he will make his workers work for the wage that those unemployed pilots would accept. It's pretty simple.

enigma

 

[nimtz]

It would crack me up to see Johnny O and that high quality Mesa Operation attempt to operate the Shuttle given its high profile, highly influencial customers. Considering Mesa outstations often have to borrow ground equipment from other airlines, Mesa would be swallowing a load worthy of John Holmes if it thinks it could handle the Shuttle. I can just see Ted Kennedy with Gin in hand berating some fatty 19 year old Mesa FA for the fact that he was supposed to be at Logan 4 hours ago!

 

[WSurf]

Enigma,

You are correct! It was said that JO was telling everyone that his pilots were over-paid! Someone asked him how can you say that they are over-paid! He's response, "I pay my pilots too much money, because I have no problem filling new hire classes!"

Enjoy the profession we all have chosen!