Real world 1st FO pay at CS question?

[osy007]

I'm sure this has come up before, and am truly sorry for posting.

I'm getting laid off soon from a 135 operator and need to get my ass in gear. I'm making mid 80's and trying not to take too big of a hit in pay.

What is the average 1st year pay at CS with o.t, perdiem, etc. included?

I'm questimating that upgrade time should be around 2 years. Am I correct?

I recently read that CS will match NJ +500. Is that 70K +500?

I appreciate any info..thanks...

 

[RCR5]

As of 1 April this is the pay scale. I got this information off airline pilot central. Others are going to have to chime in on overtime and the other things you wanted to know about the salary.

I am told upgrade time is now in the 3.5 year range. This is with the new seniority based system they have implemented. They used to be merit based.

7/7 Schedule - 182 Days per

.........PIC Salary/OT Rate/FO Salary/OT Rate

Year 1 $83,720 $690 Year 1 $55,510 $458

Year 2 $87,906 $725 Year 2 $58,286 $480

Year 3 $92,301 $761 Year 3 $61,200 $504

Year 4 $96,916 $799 Year 4 $64,260 $530

Year 5 $101,762 $839 Year 5 $67,473 $556

Year 6 $104,815 $864 Year 6 $69,497 $573

Year 7 $107,960 $890 Year 7 $71,582 $590

Year 8 $111,198 $916 Year 8 $73,729 $608

Year 9 $114,534 $944 Year 9 $75,941 $626

Year 10 $120,261 $991 Year 10 $79,738 $657

Year 11 $123,869 $1,021

Year 12 $127,585 $1,052

Year 13 $131,412 $1,083

Year 14 $135,355 $1,116

Year 15 $142,122 $1,171

 

[Krapflier]

Upgrade is more like 3+ years. OT usually as much as you want. With per diem and after insurance I fiure you could clear 60,000 your first year. If you worked one day of OT a tour mabe 65,000.

 

[Stinkbug]

Upgrade is more like 3+ years. OT usually as much as you want. With per diem and after insurance I fiure you could clear 60,000 your first year. If you worked one day of OT a tour mabe 65,000.

OT has historically been a very predictable way to boost your income. CS recently announced its intention to implement some alternate schedules to supplement the basic 7/7 and improve efficiency. The details have yet to be divulged, but I wouldn't count on OT being as readily available as it has in the past, once the new schedules are implemented. Just one man's opinion...

 

[bailout]

You will also get @ $9K+ in per-diem, so first year with no O/T is more like $64Kish, throw in a few days of O/T and you're over that easy. Some people dont count it, but I never understood why. It comes with your expense check @ every two weeks, just like your normal paycheck.

 

[osy007]

Thanks for all the input guys!

2 more questions...

1. How long does it take to get an interview after applying?

2. When transitioning to PIC, do you start at year 1 PIC pay or year 3?

 

[SKYLAWYER]

Thanks for all the input guys!

2 more questions...

1. How long does it take to get an interview after applying?

2. When transitioning to PIC, do you start at year 1 PIC pay or year 3?

1) Million dollar question, no-one except for the person doing the interview calls really knows. Much faster if you have an internal reccomendation. Our hiring team is going through a transition right now so it is very difficult to forecast.

2) You go to captain pay in whatever year you are currently in. In your scenario year 3 capt pay.

 

[brokeflyer]

You'll clear just over 70k as a first yr FO at NJ.

 

[jonjuan]

You'll clear just over 70k as a first yr FO at NJ.

And upgrade in 7-8 years if hired today.

 

[RCR5]

You'll clear just over 70k as a first yr FO at NJ.

Just curious but what does that have to do with his questions? He was being specific about Citation Shares right?

After reading through some of these posts on this forum I have started to see a trend. It usually goes like this.

1. Someone will post specifically about ANOTHER fractional company.
2. The thread will have absolutely nothing to do with NetJets.
3. A NetJets employee, or their wife, will make a post that has absolutely nothing to do with the thread but promotes NetJets.

Are there moderators in this forum to delete these meaningless NetJet posts or do they work for NetJets as well?

 

[RCA]

You'll clear just over 70k as a first yr FO at NJ.

Real world 1st year FO pay at CS question?!

 

[SKYLAWYER]

Just curious but what does that have to do with his questions? He was being specific about Citation Shares right?

After reading through some of these posts on this forum I have started to see a trend. It usually goes like this.

1. Someone will post specifically about ANOTHER fractional company.
2. The thread will have absolutely nothing to do with NetJets.
3. A NetJets employee, or their wife, will make a post that has absolutely nothing to do with the thread but promotes NetJets.

Are there moderators in this forum to delete these meaningless NetJet posts or do they work for NetJets as well?

Common courtesy is a lost art for some.

 

[brokeflyer]

I'm making mid 80's and trying not to take too big of a hit in pay.

just trying to help the guy...

another trend is the amount of a** holes like you there are here. Im here taking time to help a guy and all you idiots do is make bigger idiots of yourselves.

Pathetic.....5th grade forums arent here!!!

 

[7777]

brokeflyer,

If you are really trying to help the guy, here is an idea, how about answering his question?

If you can't, how about NOT posting your NetJets drivel. Everyone knows it is a great company to work for, people like you remind people every chance you get. NetJets topics make up 7 of the current front page topics in this forum. Don't you think he already knows abut NetJets?

You appear to be the one acting like the 5th grader.

 

[brokeflyer]

you must not have kids,

im not the one crying about what other people post. I dont really care, The guy said he makes 80k and dont wanna take a big hit in pay. I answered that part of the question trying to help. However all the kiddies got on here and started crying about it.

sorry but im laughin too hard right now. funny stuff here.

 

[SKYLAWYER]

just trying to help the guy...

another trend is the amount of a** holes like you there are here. I'm here taking time to help a guy and all you idiots do is make bigger idiots of yourselves.

Pathetic.....5th grade forums aren't here!!!

Ok brokeflyer I'll take the bait here. First off the guy said he was being laid of from his 135 job soon and needs to get his @ss in gear. That was the beginning part of the sentence that you choose to leave off of your quote. How do plan on helping a guy that seems to need a job very soon in the future get on the bottom of a call list that seems to be taking about 6 months at this point? Second NJ pay is very very very VERY well documented and is easy to find. If it was not easy to find, seeing that this poster was able to narrow the title to CS pay I am assuming he could have easily asked for NJ's instead or asked for all the fractional pay in one thread. He desires to have information from a company that he hopes will represent the best chance of being hired ASAP. NJ is the 800lb gorilla but most people agree that CS is the next best alternative in the industry.
Finally please don't take the posts above as a personal attack on yourself. My post was probably a little out of line and for that I apologize. I think what is happening here is the result of a very annoying trend in the fractional forum. Look at the thread titled CS pay where NJ wife and several others turned that into several pages of union talk, personal insults, stabs at patriotism, and other things entirely not related to CS pay. I was very annoyed by constantly checking that thread to see if I could help anyone with a ACTUAL CS pay question. I was doing the same thing as you, trying to help. Your co-workers made that very very difficult for me and therefore very frustrating. I am sure the everyone appreciates your help and I don't want to see you stop aiding our brothers and sisters in aviation. Unsolicited opinions can sometimes be seen as helpful, nosy, or rude. When you provide a unsolicited opinion you do run the risk of the interpretation of the group who did not ask you for your opinion. I hope you continue to offer your help, just in the appropriate thread. I think another fruit basket is in order.:beer:

 

[7777]

Best of luck to the original poster.

 

[RCR5]

Nice post Skylawyer. Though a 5th grader could see the original intent of his post.

 

[osy007]

I'm actually enjoying it also...

I kind of actually know what the pay should be. I just want to hear some confirmation from a CS guy/gal.

I have a weird reason for wanting to goto CS over NJ. Everyone that I have spoken to in the past, at CS, seemed nice and relaxed and at ease. Nobody had anything bad to say about the company.

 

[m4j2t]

just trying to help the guy...

another trend is the amount of a** holes like you there are here. Im here taking time to help a guy and all you idiots do is make bigger idiots of yourselves.

Pathetic.....5th grade forums arent here!!!

Let's put it in perspective...

Jumping into every single thread with unsolicited info is akin to flipping the com switch and checking in without first listening to find out if there's other people in the middle of a communication. You're just stepping on people. We've all heard the guy who thinks he's the only one on the freq and just keeps stepping on people over and over and over...

There have been several threads where others have asked you to stick to the topic; this isn't the first. You should understand that people don't think you're trying to help, but in fact feel antagonized by you jumping into every thread with a NJ quip. If you continue to do so then you will have shown your true colors.

You make more money, you get more vacation, you eat more crew meals, etc, etc, etc... You, however, are not a superior human being, nor are you sovereign from common courtesy. Please have some dignity and enjoy your employment without the notion that all need your input on everything. Lastly, you will not be taken seriously unless you respect others' opinions and refrain from insults.