Re: TSA - CFR 1544.101 10T - HELP!

[Skull-One]

Re: TSA - CFR 1544.101 10T - HELP!

I don't know if I have the proper reg or not... I cannot find this blasted thing anywhere and I used to have it...

It is CFR 1544.101 (10T) or something similar. This is what TSA uses to determine screening at the passenger checkpoint.

FEBRUARY 08, 2003

Security Directive 1544-101-10T (or 1544-01-10T)
Threat to U.S. Aircraft Operators (and Domestic Operations)
Page 5 of 18
Article IV - Passenger Screening Checkpoint

I am in a pissing contest with Tulsa TSA over this regulation. From my reading of it, a valid AIRLINE or AIRPORT ISSUED ID is all that is required to proceed beyond the security checkpoint. I am being told I need a ticket, even though I am a Flight Crewman.

WTF?


I cannot find this blasted reg anywhere online. Government web sites are impossible to use.

Anyone have any thoughts on how to get a copy of this so I can carry it with me?

 

[avbug]

Try the following links to 49 CFR Part 1500, which will cover some of the information you seek:

http://www.tsa.dot.gov/public/display?theme=79

http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/cfrhtml_00/Title_49/49cfr1544_00.html


Part 1544 doesn't really address your question, in particular 1544.101. I believe you're referring to an internal directive, and that won't be published publically. Did you ask for a copy?

I would strongly recommend you avoid entering a pissing contest, or any other conflict, with TSA. It may be just enough to cost you your certification at this point, with no recourse, no required explaination, and nowhere to turn. They can do that, like it or not.

If it's an important issue at your location, turn to your company chain of command, rather than attempting to pursue the issue directly with TSA. It's in your best interest.

Your post was a little ambiguous. Are you saying that the security personnel will not let you on board your airplane without a ticket? If this is the case, are you saying that security will not allow you on board an airplane for which you are assigned duty as captain or first officer, without a ticket? I find that very difficult to believe. Please provide more information.

 

[trainerjet]

Looks like Tulsa is on the list of airports where a ticket/boarding pass is required to pass the security checkpoint. I would think that unless you have a TUL SIDA badge, and/or are working a flight from TUL, you are SOL.

Avbug is right. You will NOT win a "pissing contest" with the TSA. I recommend you choose another way to pursue this matter, if you desire to continue pusuing.

http://www.tsa.dot.gov/public/interapp/travel_tip/travel_tip_0027.xml

 

[avbug]

I believe that reference is to ticket passengers or others authorized to ride (jumpseaters, etc). Something is missing. An assigned crew should not be stopped for failure to hold a ticket, obviously. What is the rest of the story?

 

[Skull-One]

I have been told by multiple persons in the regulatory end that ticketing does not apply to Airport or Air Carrier ID'd employees/flight crews. Our badge is sufficient to clear the checkpoint.

I have jumpseated out of several other cities on that list that requires tickets and none have stopped me due to TSA. (DFW hassled me, but that was American Airlines' Ground Security Coordinator's fault, not TSA's).

What TSA is saying in TUL is that flight crews can only enter the concourse their airline flies out of without a "ticket." So, Southwest crews can go down the SWA concourse, but not American's and vice versa. Poor UPS pilots can't go down either.

They are citing the exact same directive I just posted above but claim it means that you can only enter security if your airline flies out of that concourse.

My company codeshares with Delta and American on one concourse and when I try to go through the checkpoint, 5 out of 7 times they stop me and send me to the ticket counter. This is fine and dandy when nobody's around, but during Spring Break and so forth... OY!

So these guys are wasting an additional hour of my time (and those of my fellow pilots) when we try to Jumpseat to work out of TUL.

I have spoken with many many TSA people, from FSD level down to Screening Supervisor, at multiple airports and all of them say that TUL is wrong.

However, without a copy of the rules in my hand I have very little to go on. I'm just fed up with the whole mess. It's to the point if they take my license they can keep it. It's not worth the da**ed hassle!

They are rude and walk around with chips on their shoulders (not all of them, just a handful) making the traveling experience very unpleasant for all involved.

Thanks for the info. If anyone manages to dig this one up I would be most appreciative. I've read it, but couldn't fire a copy off because it is apparently very secret, just like everything else at TSA.

 

[avbug]

Again, go through your chain of command. Handling it yourself is NOT the way to go. Good luck.