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John Nahill

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You can find me at the Medford Boat Club running around in a commodore's uniform perhaps [I swear I only wear it for the kids at halloween], ask Commodore Orlando. He might give you some inside scoop on the life of Riley --"What a revoltin' development this is!"--that John is now leading with wife Maureen, seven year old daughter Caroline Frances and five year old son John.

Nahill calls himself the Commodore of a boat he owns and has named katamacajo"

"I want all you Non union pilots to keep going that extra mile for me so I stay at home with my family 365 days a year and keep enjoying my mid six figure annual consulting fee that Raytheon is paying me mostly to keep my mouth shut if and when the feds come calling."

Submitted in my humble opinion. "By the way, any of you that don't call in and vote union are total chumps."

I've had too much red, red wine. Sorry for what I did to you John and others. God have mercy upon my soul. ASAP, no mercy, make it right, please.

http://www.contactmusic.com/new/home.nsf/webpages/comeoneileenx15x10x02 fukm

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These guys are doing the right thing- honors

"Recognizing the company policy is that the final decision to fly a plane rests with the pilots; they consistently attempt to badger, intimidate, and often attack our personal work ethics in the interest of getting pilots to fly airplanes with maintenance discrepancies or airworthiness issues.

Our Goals;

Ø Increased safety

Ø Industry competitive wages

Ø Fair and equitable work rules

Ø Protection of our domiciles and schedules

Ø Protection of our seniority list and seniority rights

Ø Protection of individual pilots from unjust treatment

Ø Protection of our jobs in the event of a merger, sale, or transfer of aircraft

Ø Representation for our pilots during FAA inquiries or disciplinary actions

Ø Establishment of democratically elected pilot representation tasked with presenting issues of collective concern to management on behalf of the entire pilot group





Your Organizing Committee



Mark Allen

Randy (Joe) Clements

Troy Denson

Steven (Travis) Gazzo

Michael (Mike) Groner

William (Bill) Hart

Frederick (Rick) Katai

Erick (Rick) Maluda

William McCoy

Scott Mund

Gary Phillips

Jonathan Prince

George Rayburn

Micah Saumier

Mathew (Mat) Slinghoff"
 
Pretty brazen, LuvU

WTF? Did you get this guy's PERMISSION to lift his post from a PASSWORD PROTECTED board to here...with his first and last name on it????
Pretty rude and thoughtless move...I'd imagine if someone wanted their letter and entire name posted they'd have done it themselves. Is that the consideration you'd want for yourself? :smash:
Think before you act. There's enough lifting of other posts, but doing it with someone's entire name is pretty nuts.
 
Not YOUR decision to make!

luvu said:
It was Mike's intention to "come out." We all know management reads even the password protected board. Mike wanted everyone that knows him to know how he stood on this issue.

Being who Mike is, I think his self outing will help push us over the 75% mark and his unifying rather than dividing message is what is going to be needed to hold the pilots together during the MEC and contract negotiation phases.

Mike wants to make a contribution to that process. He is thinking ahead and I applaud his deliberation as much as his deliberate self outing.
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His "COMING OUT" is not for you to decide where. He "came out" on two PASSWORD PROTECTED boards. You (I might add under your own anonymity) posted his FULL first and last name on a PUBLIC forum. Big difference.

Did you ever stop to think that his letter was intended for the pilots and management of Flight Options and not the whole d@mn world? Maybe he doesn't want some neighbor searching his name on the net to see his company's dirty laundry, or want anyone doing a web search to even know where he works...or any NUMBER of reasons.

Bottom line, if HE decided (or decides to) post it on a public forum, HE will do it...You are WAY, WAY out of line, and EXACTLY the reason why many more will REMAIN anonymous (like yourself) :angryfire
 
Voice

point taken. You and I have a VERY different concept of what we think are internet searchable forums. I think you may be somewhat naive. I have, however, deleted the contents of the post above.
 
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luvu said:
point taken. You and I have a VERY different concept of what we think are internet searchable forums. I think you may be somewhat naive. I have, however, edited the above post to remove the full name.
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Yet his full name still remained in the title of your post....NICE JOB! :rolleyes:

I don't have a clue who this guy is, or why his position might make a difference to so many people as you indicate.....but you were seriously in the wrong for posting this on a public board!
 
luvu said:
point taken. You and I have a VERY different concept of what we think are internet searchable forums. I think you may be somewhat naive. I have, however, edited the above post to remove the full name.
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I'm naive, yet YOU think public message boards are unsearchable?
Interesting bit of worldly sophistication there, Elmer.
 
FracCapt said:
Yet his full name still remained in the title of your post....NICE JOB! :rolleyes:

I don't have a clue who this guy is, or why his position might make a difference to so many people as you indicate.....but you were seriously in the wrong for posting this on a public board!
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Exactly FracCapt...!
That guy would post it on his OWN if that was his intention.
Anyone acting as an intermediary on my behalf WITHOUT permission
would find their cheese moved REALLY quickly.

Nonetheless, I think the illegally reposted letter was an EXCELLENT one, and one of the most sane I've read in quite a while.

I do find it notable that none of the organizers commented on it (favorable or whatever)...but then, if I were an organizer the first thing I'd be thinking is "D*mn! Is this guy going to get my MEC vote?" lol :eek:

Regardless, I think he expressed what a great deal of people have always thought (like someone else said, just a heck of a lot better) :)
 
Voice Of Reason said:
I'm naive, yet YOU think public message boards are unsearchable?
Interesting bit of worldly sophistication there, Elmer.
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You read my post exactly 180 degrees off point. It is you that are naive to think that password protection is protection.
 
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For the LAST TIME

luvu said:
You read my post exactly 180 degrees off point. It is you that are naive to think that password protection is protection.
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The "protection" I am referring to is protection from any random dufus in the WORLD doing a google search on his name. That will NOT show up for password protected boards.
I am not bouncing this back and forth. You were wrong and owe that guy an apology for being so assuming.
 
Reported by Reuters- an excerpt

"Raytheon quarter profit rises on defense, jet sales...........That was partly offset by a charge of 4 cents per share for writing down the value of its investment in Flight Options, a fractional jet ownership company."

This represents a $22 million pre-tax write down attributed to Flight Options for just the one quarter.

Notice Raytheon puts this in the third paragraph at the very beginning of their 4th quarter and year end press release.

They never, EVER, focused the spotlight on their Flight Options losses like this before. It was always buried in the body of the report. And sure enough, all the news wires carried it in the body of their redacted news releases just like Raytheon wanted them to. The Public Relations war of "WOE is ME" contract negotiations has begun.

"Those bad, bad pilots asking poor us for industry competitive wages. Its not our fault we aren't making money in this division. Why look at our fine and publicly lauded CEO Scheeringa. If it was possible to squeeze any money out of this business, he would be doing it."

For those of you keeping track. This month represents the TWO year anniversary of Scheeringa at the helm in either the Chief Operating Officer or Acting CEO position or both.


Pay attention to this, REAL CLOSE ATTENTION. The timing of this HIGHLIGHTED and ATTENTION grabbing write down in value, immediately after pursuing and obtaining 100% ownership, immediately after returning RAS maintenance personnel and bases to Flight Options, immediately after promoting Scheeringa to full CEO, immediately after ASAP filing petition for election with the NMB are NOT coincidences.

What you are witnessing, I submit is Raytheon setting the tables for some serious hardball.

If there was ever a time for pilot solidarity, THAT time is NOW!

Vote ASAP
 
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"other" means Flight Options

Raytheon's full release available at Raytheon.com

Segment free cash flow information


.......................Three Months Ended ..........................................Twelve Months Ended
..........................31-Dec-05 ........................................................31-Dec-05

Other..................$10 million..........................................................$52 million


(a) See Attachment F for a description of free cash flow.

Attachment F

Raytheon Company
Non-GAAP Financial Measures
Fourth Quarter 2005



Free cash flow is a "non-GAAP" financial measure under SEC regulations.
The Company defines free cash flow as operating cash flow less capital
spending and internal use software spending. Our definition may differ
from similarly titled measures used by others. The Company uses free
cash flow to facilitate management's internal comparisons to the
Company's historical operating results and to competitors' operating
results and as an element of management incentive compensation. The
Company believes disclosure of free cash flow performance provides
investors greater transparency with respect to information used by
management in its financial and operational decision making. While this
information may be useful in evaluating the Company, it should be
considered supplemental to and not as a substitute for financial
information prepared in accordance with generally accepted accounting
principles.


--------------------------------------------

This means that, while Raytheon is very publicly highlighting an accounting pre- tax loss/write down of $22 million attributable solely to the Flight Options division; the numbers behind the numbers which afford "greater transparency" but are hidden under the "other" moniker show that Flight Options actually reported $10 million in free cash flow for the same quarter and $52 million in free cash flow for the year.

This folks is what pilots flying the line are talking about when they say this division is a cash producing cow for Raytheon. Those line pilots ain't lying no matter what the "Woe is Me" headlines would have you believe.

Vote ASAP and you will be able to negotiate even "greater transparency" when Raytheon tries to play its numbers games on you at the contract negotiating table.


Again, Vote ASAP
 
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An apology to the board

I'd like to take a moment to say I'm sorry for all the fuss over my posting.

I'm VERY appreciative of the concern voiced over the unauthorized "lifting" of material from areas of protected access - it bothers me too, when I see material posted somewhere the author clearly did not intended it to be.

Just to set the record straight; after I posted my letter on one of the fora I belong to, I was approached by an individual who asked my permission to re-post my letter on a different forum. I figured, in for a penny, in for a pound - and I had no objection. If I had thought more about it at the time, I should have posted it here myself; but then, I figured that most everyone who reads this board probably reads one of the others.

In any case, I'm sorry that it caused any unpleasantness.

Thanks for the nice comments.

Best wishes,
Mike McLeod

Who is IBT 1108? I am.
 
"Fora" the plural of forum- "alae" -the plural of ala f. [a wing]

Alae said:
after I posted my letter on one of the fora I belong to, I was approached by an individual who asked my permission to re-post my letter on a different forum. I figured, in for a penny, in for a pound - and I had no objection.
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No apologies necessary from you Mike. I'm just sorry your parents made you study LATIN too. :)

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origin of the word “love.” It is an Indo-Iranian word. According to the Oxford English Dictionary, the English word "love" is derived more immediately from Old English lufu, luvu, or lubu, which derived from luba of Old High German. The luba of Old High German derived from leubh, lubet, and libet of Sanskrit and Old Aryan, meaning “pleasing.”
 
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Coulda been worse

My dad's degree was in Organic Chemistry, so he might have had me study Greek, too...:eek:

As it is, I'm finding Russian quite challenging enough!

Best regards,
Mike
 
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If you read the entire document, you will see that the judge ruled against John G.
Topliff​
.

These ruling will have an impact on any pending lawsuits against FO / RTA.
 

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