quick question

[darkvw]

what's the correct radio call for departure from an untowered r/w?
"cessnaxxxxx departing rw21" got me told that is for towered airports.

 

[mayday1]

what's the correct radio call for departure from an untowered r/w?
"cessnaxxxxx departing rw21" got me told that is for towered airports.

that's correct... i typically add direction of flight/intentions in addition to simply departing.

 

[User546]

I agree with gkrangers... and we go in and out of uncontrolled fields frequently.

Typically as we're taxiing out I'll make a blanket call "Small Town Traffic, Citation XXXX, ready for departure, any traffic in the area please advise."

Then as we're rolling onto the runway, "Small Town Traffic, Citation XXXX taking Runway 17, will be departing to the SW - last call"

There's not really a wrong way to do it, just make sure that you get the information out that everyone else will need to stay clear of you, and always be vigilant after takeoff, cause there may be someone around that's not on frequency, or don't have radios.

You could always consult the AIM for the proper way to say it, but always remember nothing is set in stone.

 

[User546]

"cessnaxxxxx departing rw21" got me told that is for towered airports.

I just re-read this and here's my question for you. If your at a towered airport, why are you announcing that your departing runway 21? If your cleared for takeoff, then the tower knows your going to be departing runway 21.

 

[hangar7guy]

Typically as we're taxiing out I'll make a blanket call "Small Town Traffic, Citation XXXX, ready for departure, any traffic in the area please advise."

I agree with everything else in this thread, except for the last seven words of the sentence I've quoted above. The subject of "any traffic please advise" has probably been beaten to death elsewhere on this forum and on others as well, but I just don't see the point of including those words. The "A" in CTAF stands for "advisory", so it's understood that other traffic will be advising you of their position and intentions after you state yours. And there's nothing in AIM's suggesting this phraseology.

I'm not trying to start a flame war, and this isn't intended personally, so please -- no offense. It's just that I instruct at a field with an extremely congested CTAF, so I teach my students to keep things as short as possible without omitting anything essential.

 

[User546]

The "A" in CTAF stands for "advisory", so it's understood that other traffic will be advising you of their position and intentions after you state yours.

No offense taken at all. Let me explain to you why I say this, and anyone can take it for what it's worth - right or wrong.

Reason I always include "any traffic in the area please advise" is because sometimes you might have someone coming into the airport 5-10 miles out that might be monitoring the frequency but has yet to make their initial radio call. Sometimes when people monitor a frequency and don't hear any traffic, they are a lot more laxed and dont necessarily make the required callouts that they should, because they think they're the only ones around.

And I've also seen them not say anything if they hear that a jet is making the radio call, because they feel like they're far enough out of the way, that the jet will be long gone well before they get within the airport enviroment.

Even though that traffic might be 5 or 10 miles out, if he's coming in from the general direction that we're departing, this could be a potential safety issue after we takeoff and are departing at 250 kts!

And typically taking off out of an uncontrolled field, we pick up our clearance (in good wx) once airborne. So it can get really busy right after takeoff, and I like to know if theres traffic that I need to be paying extra special attention to in that scenario.

So it may be seven words that might clog the frequency for an extra 2-3 seconds, but I'd rather clog the frequency then run into a Cessna 172 on the climbout. I'm just safety-concious like that.

 

[darkvw]

I usually state the departure, and I checked the FAR/AIM but didn't see anything for untowered ( sounds better than uncontrolled) radio calls. I was just told it was for towered fields, and the correct was "on the go for rwy 21 then pattern or rollout" . Thanks for the heads up .

 

[Fly_Chick]

I just re-read this and here's my question for you. If your at a towered airport, why are you announcing that your departing runway 21? If your cleared for takeoff, then the tower knows your going to be departing runway 21.

I repeat the runway location back at airports with multiple runways because I want to avoid runway incursions. If I am at an airport with multiple runways, especially those with mulitple parallel runways (i.e. 21 L, 21 C, and 21 R) or airports that frequently use intersection take-offs, I always feel it is best to re-affirm the location. This is not just for the folks in the tower, but those on the ground and in the pattern.

 

[cforst513]

wait, you're supposed to use your radios at non-towered airports?!?

 

[JediNein]

the correct was "on the go for rwy 21 then pattern or rollout" .

Shoe me that in the AIM.

Whomever is doing the correcting needs to re-read "Operations at Non-Towered Airports", though I still prefer uncontrolled to describe 'em, 'specially with a busy field due to a great eating place co-located there.

 

[minitour]

I repeat the runway location back at airports with multiple runways because I want to avoid runway incursions. If I am at an airport with multiple runways, especially those with mulitple parallel runways (i.e. 21 L, 21 C, and 21 R) or airports that frequently use intersection take-offs, I always feel it is best to re-affirm the location. This is not just for the folks in the tower, but those on the ground and in the pattern.

I agree...I always read back the location I'm taking off at ("Cleared for takeoff 21" - or - "Clear for takeoff 21 at A1") before I cross the hold short line. This way if perhaps tower thought I was somewhere else, I can avoid a runway incursion.

For the pilot-controlled fields (sounds better to the non-pilot public than "uncontrolled") I usually just say "___ traffic, cessna 123 taking off runway 12 departing to the west"

-mini

 

[Fly_Chick]

This is the same reason I have the students not only clear the final approach but also the departure end while lining up on centerline for takeoff.

Let's not forget Sarasota... http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20001212X20686&key=1

and Tenerife... http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/Response2.asp?spage=2&x_page_size=10&sql=%271%2F1%2F1970%27%2C+%273%2F22%2F2005%27%2C+%27%27%2C+%27%27%2C+%27like+%27%27FATAL%28%25%27%27%27%2C+%27%27%2C+%27%27%2C+%27%27%2C+%27%27%2C+%27%27%2C+%27%27%2C+%27%27%2C+%27%27%2C+%27%27%2C+%27%27%2C+%27ev%5Fdate%27%2C+%27Desc%27%2C+%27%27%2C+%27%27%2C+%27Spain%27%2C+%27%27%2C+%27%27%2C+%27%27%2C+%27%27

 

[qmaster3]

what's the correct radio call for departure from an untowered r/w?
"cessnaxxxxx departing rw21" got me told that is for towered airports.

"just do what the AIM tells you"

Quoted from qmasters CFII when answer is not mentally accessible.

 

[hangar7guy]

Reason I always include "any traffic in the area please advise" is because sometimes you might have someone coming into the airport 5-10 miles out that might be monitoring the frequency but has yet to make their initial radio call. Sometimes when people monitor a frequency and don't hear any traffic, they are a lot more laxed and dont necessarily make the required callouts that they should, because they think they're the only ones around.

All very good points.

My (cynical) observation is that the people who don't bother to make those timely, appropriate calls you've mentioned usually aren't going to bother doing so just because I'm reminding them to do so.

Another thing that happens all too frequently when two or three people in the area hear a "please advise" announcement is that they all respond by keying their mikes simultaneously. ("SCREEEEEECH is two miles SCREEECH of the airport...") [Sigh]

But again, I see your point.

 

[User546]

Another thing that happens all too frequently when two or three people in the area hear a "please advise" announcement is that they all respond by keying their mikes simultaneously. ("SCREEEEEECH is two miles SCREEECH of the airport...") [Sigh]

LOL... so true, so true!

 

[LewisU_Pilot]

I was always taught to say the airport name first followed by traffic, intentions and ending it with the airport name. "Lewis traffic skylane 3033 november entering left 45 for 9 Lewis"

 

[Metro752]

Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnddddddddddddddd Lewis Traffic


After about 5 goons up there call in a row all being cute and funny by extending the unecessary word "And" I have already taken off, gone around the pattern, and landed at Morris.


122.8 is busy as hell.

 

[flyifrvfr]

When at a controlled airport ( towered ) the radio procedure I use is to first taxi up to the hold short line and call tower. " Martin Tower, Cessna 12345 ready for departure runway 33 full length." You are telling the tower you are ready to take-off and you are using the full length of the runway. If you are departing using an intersection, you are required to tell ground before taxiing and tell tower when you are ready to go.

" Martin Ground, Cessna 12345 request intersection charlie departure." Cessna 345 Martin Ground, taxi runway 33 intersection charlie approved."

 

[Vector4fun]

Before we got the Cessna, I really hadn't done a lot of flying the last decade, especially at un-towered airports. The past year though, I have really begun to appreciate why all the moaning and groaning over unicom calls. There's folks out there who can talk for 45 seconds straight and say nothing useful. Or ya get two or three controller wannabes in the area, and they start "suggesting" how the other folks should enter/fly their pattern. It's really a sad specticle. Four pilots who know how to fly and talk efficiently can be drinking coffee in the lounge before those other clowns decide which runway should be active....