Quick question on logging times

[BoDEAN]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it is pointless to log flights as "cross country" in your logbook when with a regional, as it doesn't go towards any rating, correct?

 

[Speedtape]

Well, it is a category! And if the flying is not local in nature, what else could it be? If the only flying that you are now doing is for a regional, then it is all cross country.

 

[Erlanger]

You don't have to log the cross-country time. Waste of ink. No future employer is going to care. That time was only for getting your certificates and ratings.

 

[trolleydriver]

So long as you have 500 xcountry for your ATP after that it doesn't matter.

 

[No Delay]

Well, the only issue might be those dang applications...where you have to break down all your flight time.

But again, I can't see it being a big deal.

 

[ceo_of_the_sofa]

I started logging 50-mile-plus legs to keep track of the ATP minimum requirement. After reaching the minimum, I just kind of kept logging all my 121 flights as such, as they're all at least 50+ nautical miles.

 

[ballsdeep123]

I was under the impression that since it was 121 that all of the time was XC time that could be included towards ATP mins. Probably wrong though.

 

[No Delay]

Actually, the mileage requirement only has to do with meeting the requirement for a rating or certificate.

If it is not time toward a particular certificate or rating....a flight from one airport to another is a cross country - regardless of distance.

 

[ackattacker]

Actually, the mileage requirement only has to do with meeting the requirement for a rating or certificate.

If it is not time toward a particular certificate or rating....a flight from one airport to another is a cross country - regardless of distance.

Not to be pedantic, but you also have to use some form of navigation. If the airports are so close together that you can see your destination it doesn't qualify.

 

[dogtown]

Not to be pedantic, but you also have to use some form of navigation. If the airports are so close together that you can see your destination it doesn't qualify.

Well since we've gone down the pedantic raod; I don't know where you got your navigation requierment from, but using visual guidence, or "pilotage" is a form of navigation is it not?

 

[ackattacker]

Well since we've gone down the pedantic raod; I don't know where you got your navigation requierment from, but using visual guidence, or "pilotage" is a form of navigation is it not?

Pilotage counts, the reference is 61.1(b)(3)(D):

(D) That involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems to navigate to the landing point.

I guess you could argue that seeing the airport and aiming at it is pilotage. But in my training pilotage generally meant using intermediate landmarks. Again this is silly... log it all as x-country. Nobody knows what method of navigation you used.

 

[greg52083]

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[trainer8]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it is pointless to log flights as "cross country" in your logbook when with a regional, as it doesn't go towards any rating, correct?

IMO, yes. But....

Cross country (XC) flying, flying that is more than 50 nautical miles from the aircraft base, is used as a "measuring stick" by the FAA to meet minimum requirements for a specific rating. Some corporate, 135, and regional carriers request cross country time to gauge a pilot's experience level. If you have 3000 hours total time, how much of it is XC time. How much time have you been spending "in the pattern" verses "point to point" flying.

We are seeing applicants now in the regional airline level who have never exceeded working past their flight instructor certificates, have less than 100 hours of actual instrument, have never shot an actual "minimums" Cat I approach--and had to miss; never been forced to fly to an alternate airport and critically manage their fueload; have minimal experience with Class A and B airspace. XC time is just a little way to evaluate an applicant's experience level. That is why it is still asked about on some applications.

T8