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FJP3

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Hello Everyone,

I am a new poster. I have a question about logging time flown in a Citation 5. I hold a CMEL as well as being a CFII, I also have about 900 TT and about 72 Multi. I was approached by the owner. I was wondering what all I would need to do to make this quality time as a logbook entry. I dont just want to be a gear and flaps guy. Thanks in advance
 
Sec. 61.55 - Second-in-command qualifications.

(a) Except as provided in paragraph (d) of this section, no person may serve as a second in command of an aircraft type certificated for more than one required pilot flight crewmember or in operations requiring a second in command unless that person holds:

(1) At least a current private pilot certificate with the appropriate category and class rating; and

(2) An instrument rating that applies to the aircraft being flown if the flight is under IFR.

(b) Except as provided in paragraph (d) of this section, no person may serve as a second in command of an aircraft type certificated for more than one required pilot flight crewmember or in operations requiring a second in command unless that person has within the previous 12 calendar months:

(1) Become familiar with the following information for the specific type aircraft for which second-in-command privileges are requested --

(i) Operational procedures applicable to the powerplant, equipment, and systems.

(ii) Performance specifications and limitations.

(iii) Normal, abnormal, and emergency operating procedures.

(iv) Flight manual.

(v) Placards and markings.

(2) Except as provided in paragraph (e) of this section, performed and logged pilot time in the type of aircraft or in a flight simulator that represents the type of aircraft for which second-in-command privileges are requested, which includes --

(i) Three takeoffs and three landings to a full stop as the sole manipulator of the flight controls;

(ii) Engine-out procedures and maneuvering with an engine out while executing the duties of pilot in command; and

(iii) Crew resource management training.

(c) If a person complies with the requirements in paragraph (b) of this section in the calendar month before or the calendar month after the month in which compliance with this section is required, then that person is considered to have accomplished the training and practice in the month it is due.

(d) This section does not apply to a person who is:

(1) Designated and qualified as a pilot in command under part 121, 125, or 135 of this chapter in that specific type of aircraft;

(2) Designated as the second in command under part 121, 125, or 135 of this chapter, in that specific type of aircraft;

(3) Designated as the second in command in that specific type of aircraft for the purpose of receiving flight training required by this section, and no passengers or cargo are carried on the aircraft; or

(4) Designated as a safety pilot for purposes required by §91.109(b) of this chapter.

(e) The holder of a commercial or airline transport pilot certificate with the appropriate category and class rating is not required to meet the requirements of paragraph (b)(2) of this section, provided the pilot:

(1) Is conducting a ferry flight, aircraft flight test, or evaluation flight of an aircraft's equipment; and

(2) Is not carrying any person or property on board the aircraft, other than necessary for conduct of the flight.

(f) For the purpose of meeting the requirements of paragraph (b) of this section, a person may serve as second in command in that specific type aircraft, provided:

(1) The flight is conducted under day VFR or day IFR; and

(2) No person or property is carried on board the aircraft, other than necessary for conduct of the flight.

(g) Except as provided in paragraph (h) of this section, the requirements of paragraph (b) of this section may be accomplished in a flight simulator that is used in accordance with an approved course conducted by a training center certificated under part 142 of this chapter.

(h) An applicant for an initial second-in-command qualification for a particular type of aircraft who is qualifying under the terms of paragraph (g) of this section must satisfactorily complete a minimum of one takeoff and one landing in an aircraft of the same type for which the qualification is sought.
 
You're good to go if flying under part 91, log all of it you can, just make sure you're familiar with the a/c and can answer questions about it at a job interview.
 
You haven't cited what it is that you intend to log, or the circumstances that surround the "offer," or your own involvement in the matter. Addressing your question without further information would be at best, premature.Presumably you are asking about logging second in command time. If applied as a required crewmember and you meet the SIC qualifications, you may log SIC. Beyond that, without a type rating, you may not log the time.
 
The way it was, I was just BS'ing with the guy and he asked if I wanted to go flying in his Citation. I was wondering how that could be logged. I know the plane has a MGTOW over 12500 so it requires a type, but to act as a SIC I didnt know what one would have to do. I know he flys single pilot, so I wouldnt really be needed. Thats why I am asking the question about how I could log it.

Thanks
 
FJP3 said:
The way it was, I was just BS'ing with the guy and he asked if I wanted to go flying in his Citation. I was wondering how that could be logged. I know the plane has a MGTOW over 12500 so it requires a type, but to act as a SIC I didnt know what one would have to do. I know he flys single pilot, so I wouldnt really be needed. Thats why I am asking the question about how I could log it.

Thanks

Dosn't need to be over 12,500 to require a type since its a turbojet.
 
FJP3 said:
The way it was, I was just BS'ing with the guy and he asked if I wanted to go flying in his Citation. I was wondering how that could be logged. I know the plane has a MGTOW over 12500 so it requires a type, but to act as a SIC I didnt know what one would have to do. I know he flys single pilot, so I wouldnt really be needed. Thats why I am asking the question about how I could log it.

Thanks
He is typed for single pilot operations so you would merely be a passenger a long for the ride who just happened to be in the right seat.

Even if you could log this time you are setting yourself up for potential problems down the road. If you don't know the systems, etc, and you haven't been to a formal FSI (or comparable) school then you may get railroaded during a future interview.

If I was on the interview board and I had a guy come a long with 900 hours TT, 100 multi, and 100 hours of "jet time" then you better believe my questions are going to be centered around the jet that you flew.

I have met more than a few that were in your position and had the above happen to them.

chalk it up as experience

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