Questions about charter flying

[CX880]

A charter company owns my flight school. They fly citationjet, learjet and 1 king air. total of 5 aircraft. The charter guys I believe are all former CFIs from the flight school. Now my question is do all of these aircraft requre a second pilot? If so can the hours be logged in as second-in-command? What if they don't require a second pilot but if I fly right seat and act as the dog for the PIC, can I still log that time? Also if I were to be hired by the charter how much can I expect to be making as a right seater?

I eventually will be asking these questions anyways at the charter but because I only have around 100 hours don't want to seem like I'll be looking for a job any time soon! Plus I think I'm gona ditch this school. But anyways since I hear that there are CFIs that go into their schools charter flying, how does this process work? Oh and how many hours did you guys have when you started the charter flying?

 

[Rick1128]

The Lears are two pilot. Time flying in the right seat of those aircraft is totally legal time. The CJ ( I assume you mean the CE525) is a single pilot aircraft as is the king air. However, under 135 the operator may require the services of a SIC. Here comes the rub. For the time to be legally logged in the CJ or KA, you must be trained and qualified on their certificate. That means a checkride as a SIC. Then any flight that you are assigned as a SIC will be legal SIC time. There will be many others here on this board and elsewhere that will tell you that time is not legal as the aircraft is a single pilot aircraft. FAA Legal has issued letters of Interprutation that state when an operator assigns a qualified SIC (and that is the only kind that they can assign) the airplane now requires two pilots for the duration of that trip.

 

[Shamus]

Man, the FAA should publish something to tell you, ohhh wait they do, it's call the FAR's look it up, if it was a valid question I would help u in a heart beat, but come on. You CFI should show you how to read and understand the regs.

 

[G-force]

135 Flying

A charter company owns my flight school. They fly citationjet, learjet and 1 king air. total of 5 aircraft. The charter guys I believe are all former CFIs from the flight school. Now my question is do all of these aircraft requre a second pilot? If so can the hours be logged in as second-in-command? What if they don't require a second pilot but if I fly right seat and act as the dog for the PIC, can I still log that time? Also if I were to be hired by the charter how much can I expect to be making as a right seater?

I eventually will be asking these questions anyways at the charter but because I only have around 100 hours don't want to seem like I'll be looking for a job any time soon! Plus I think I'm gona ditch this school. But anyways since I hear that there are CFIs that go into their schools charter flying, how does this process work? Oh and how many hours did you guys have when you started the charter flying?

Your company has something called "Ops Specs",make sure you read it.This document is included in the COMPANY OPS MANUAL which should SPELL OUT everything about their flight operations,including SIC's in Kingairs.
Make sure that this company is a REAL 135 operation,not 134.5.
Good Luck!!!

 

[mike1mc]

Simply put, yes, all these aircraft when operated in Part 135, passenger-carrying operations under IFR, require an SIC per §135.101. The King Air and CitationJet are certified as single-pilot, but require 2 pilots per the operation (FAR Part 135), unless the exemption below is used. The Lear, as previously mentioned must always have 2 pilots.

§135.105 and OpSpec A015 allow an exemption to this rule by authorizing an autopilot instead of the SIC. I can say with certainty that the charter operation has this approval.

In order to be assinged and log the SIC time in any of these aircraft you need to complete the certificate holder's approved training program (see FAR 135, Subpart H). Be careful if you "allow" you to sit right seat (especially in uniform), as the FAA does not allow this practice, even working the radios is in violation. It can be great experience, but if the charter company is worth anything, they will properly training you, document the training, and give you the required checkrides to make you an official crewmember.