Question Regarding Delta Seniority

[BID]

So roughly, what is the relative seniority of a Delta pilot hired in the year 2000? Not sure the month of hire.

... Just curious.

 

[On Your Six]

So roughly, what is the relative seniority of a Delta pilot hired in the year 2000? Not sure the month of hire.

... Just curious.

Looking it up, pre-merger Delta would be 70%? Pre-merger NWA could be closer to 85% from the bottom.


OYS

 

[Flyer1015]

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[General Lee]

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It's called relative seniority. Delta hired a lot just before the merger, so some of the 2007/2008 newhires at Delta were blended in with year 2000 hires at NWA.(all decided by the 3 arbitrators)


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Looking it up, pre-merger Delta would be 70%? Pre-merger NWA could be closer to 85% from the bottom.


OYS

So during the merger they lost 15% seniority? Wait, that is not relative.

 

[On Your Six]

So during the merger they lost 15% seniority? Wait, that is not relative.

I wasn't a part of that, but the original question was where Delta pilots hired in 2000 would be on the list, and there were 2 group blended by arbitrators, like GL said. If NWA didn't hire as many as Delta did, then relative seniority affected the NWA guys more. It wasn't DOH. A guy in the bottom 5% at NWA hired in 2000 was placed next to a guy in the bottom 5% at Delta, hired in 2007.


OYS

 

[wmuflyguy]

So during the merger they lost 15% seniority? Wait, that is not relative.

That's not what that is saying at all.

We don't know what the relative seniority of either DOH group was pre-merger at their respective company...so you can't figure out how much seniority was lost.

Longevity doesn't necessarily equal seniority.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

If you are talking "Relative" it does. If they said he was 70% of Delta list before the merger and 85% of the combined list after the merger you lost Relative seniority.

 

[On Your Six]

If you are talking "Relative" it does. If they said he was 70% of Delta list before the merger and 85% of the combined list after the merger you lost Relative seniority.

No, I guess they would stay the same relative seniority throughout the merger. But, there are 3 Delta pilot groups, Former Delta, Former Northwest, and then newhires since the merger(me). The first group, if hired in 2000 might be around 70% now, and FNWA 2000 hires are probably around 85%. The initial post didnt say which group he was talking about.


OYS

 

[Sacha]

Burnsy, you are at the bottom of all that? No wonder you are so angry and bitter. I'll bet your getting tired of reserve and all those plane changes and sit time in ATL. Bummer. Hang in there..... You will move up hopefully by 2020 or so unless the "Virtual Airline" continues to grow....the other option of course would be to get recalled at United/Cont.
Well... Maybe not.

 

[slapstick]

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[Sacha]

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OYS gets it....well...probably not.

 

[Muskycat]

So roughly, what is the relative seniority of a Delta pilot hired in the year 2000? Not sure the month of hire.

... Just curious.

Really? Just curious or do you have another agenda??

 

[Sacha]

OYS,
Do you concur with two bits postings on the "Is delta hiring?" thread? I think he speaks realistically about your situation at Delta don't you? I guess that's why you are spending so much time on other airlines threads giving advice and spreading nastiness in order to avoid the reality of your own world at the bottom of the seniority pile.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

And if I am not mistaken there are many that lost years of service as well when compared to DOH. Northwest guys that were placed behind a delta guy that was hired 3-4 years after them? Correct me if I am wrong.

 

[wings421]

And if I am not mistaken there are many that lost years of service as well when compared to DOH. Northwest guys that were placed behind a delta guy that was hired 3-4 years after them? Correct me if I am wrong.

I have no idea what you are talking about, but no one lost more than about 2.5% of their relative seniority from their respective pre-merger airline. So, if a FNWA guy was at 93% at FNWA, then he ended up at 93% +/- 2.5% on the combined list. Same way with a former DAL guy. This isn't rocket science.

Also, the FNWA guys got credit for longevity while on furlough (and not bypassing) - a provision that they didn't have until the JCBA. So, in reality, your post is incorrect.

There are FNWA guys hired in 2000-2001 merged in with 2007 Delta hires if that is your question. They didn't, however, lose relative seniority or longevity.

 

[xjhawk]

OYS, so you are a post merger hire Delta pilot but are also a furloughed United pilot? I take it you will not be going back to United. What have you heard about the rest of the United Furloughs, are they going to go to Continental before the complete merger?