Question regarding commercial lic ???

[squadronB52]

I've been asked by a multi-engine rated pilot, with instrument priveledges, if he should do his commercial license in a multi, or single engine airplane.

I think getting it first done in a single, would be best ... but I'm not sure how it would then apply to his multi rating ?? Any ideas folks?

Thanks !! cheers .....

 

[squadronB52]

p.s. ... I know the training required, by 61.123 in the multi, and that it would be cheaper for him to do the commercial in a single, i.e ..... the required lazy eights, etc need to be accomplished in the single engine airplane, ofcourse, but would the commercial priv. be applied to his multi? I believe so ...

 

[Flymach2]

Hi...

If this person obtains their Commercial Certificate in a single-engine airplane, they will not have Commercial privileges in a multi-engine airplane.

Regards

 

[squadronB52]

Thank you! Yes, I know this and figured out that it would be best to do his single, commercial .... and then add a quick multi add-on after the flight with the examiner ..... he's fortunate to own a few diff airplanes with his father and won't incur a very great expense ....

 

[Low and Fast]

single first

I found myself in the same situation and opted to get my Commercial Single first and added on my Multi after I got my CFI and CFII out of the way. I chose to do this so that I could start making money from instructing sooner.

 

[labbats]

Do single first, and use the required time in a complex aircraft to get your multi training started. Then finish off the single and wrap up the multi within the same week.

 

[bobbysamd]

Commercial multi

I have worked in three programs where students obtain their initial Commercial-Instrument in the multi. First off, a lot would depend on the course. In two of the programs, ERAU and Mesa, students were introduced to the single-engine commercial maneuvers before earning their Private multis. They earned their Commercials in the multis. Then, at ERAU, they got back into 172s and earned their Commercial Singles. At FlightSafety, they earned their Private multis and did the remainder of their instrument work and honed their skills to Commercial standards in the multis before earning their Commercial-Instrument in the multis. Getting a Commercial SEL at FSI was an extra course. Of course, most students earned it.

Based on my experience, I like earning initial Commercial certification in multis. The flight test is really the same as the Private multi. At that point, you can get into the right seat, work some more on instruments, and earn your initial CFI as an MEI and CFI-I. I feel that plan gives you the most bang for your multi buck. Then, hop into a simple single to earn your CFI-A.

Both methods work. There are plenty of pilots who've gone on to success by earning their initial Commercial-Instrument in singles and adding multi privileges later.

 

[squadronB52]

Thank you Bobbysamd and everybody else !!! I appreciate you r advice and comments very much, and as always, your very kind advice, Bobby, is always appreciated !

Because I have already finished this particular student's multi in his privately owned Aztec, we are going to knock out his single commercial first, with just required airwork, crosscountry flight, and 1.5 hrs of complex/dual to do..... then, that afternoon, or the next day, he'll do the multi-upgrade with the same examiner and be commercial licensed for both.

As for me, I'm happy to announce, I'm ready to get my ATP .....at 1502 hrs., ..... and I hope that will help my chances as I send out those resumes !! Yippeee ......

Paul

 

[bobbysamd]

[A]s always, your very kind advice, Bobby, is always appreciated !

You bet, my friend.

Good luck with your student. Good luck with your ATP, and, good luck with your job search.

 

[Dutch]

ERAU Training

Just wanted to clarify. Under part 141 ERAU did NOT issue a Commercial Multi-Engine certificate. No ratings were issued until after the completion of the Multi and Single portions of the course, i.e. if a student left the course after completing the Commercial Multi phase check they would still only hold a Private Single/Multi Instrument. They would have no grounds for getting a Commercial certificate as they had never taken a certification ride.

That has all changed now that we operate under 14CFR142. The TCE (Training Center Evaluator) actually issues a temporary certificate after the Multi check and the student has a Commercial Multi Instrument with Private Single Engine privileges.

I agree with bobby, the multi commercial should be much easier. You are not required to perform any new maneuvers (chandelles, lazy eights, etc.) but the determining factor for me would be which aircraft is the student about to come out of? Have they just spent a good deal of time in the Multi? Then keep them in that aircraft. The same is true for the Single. While light aircraft are simple enough that you shouldn't have to spend a great deal of time "transitioning" between different types there is a difference between a short-field landing in a C172 and a PA44. Just ask my last student who tried to full stall (Cessna style) land a Seminole

Dutch

 

[bobbysamd]

Tyro Riddle Seminole drivers

Just ask my last student who tried to full stall (Cessna style) land a Seminole

I guess it's still nice to know that some things never change.

Actually, a Seminole or most any other Piper is a hundred times easier to land than a 172.

 

[PA31Ho]

For a while I had just Pvt. Single and Pvt. Multi. This summer I got my single instrument, then my multi instrument. And a few weeks ago, I went and did my checkride for my Multi Commercial license. It was basically the same checkride as the Pvt multi checkride, except I had to plan a cross country and go to the first 2 checkpoints. That is required to do whether you do the checkride in a single or multi engine airplane. Now when I go for my single commercial ride I have to do the eights on pylons, chandelles, and lazy eights then.