Question for PCL128 and Rez O Lewshun....

[XJohXJ]

Oh, by the way, if you want to change AFL-CIO policy, get involved, go to the meetings, and talk to the people who affect policy. Don't whine to ALPA pilots, who, quite frankly, have enough crap to deal with already. Illegals can't be pilots.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Yeah, unions have budgets, and employees, and need to manage money. So what? In order to act as a unified group, which is 100% critical in countering managements rape tactics, pilots need leaders. Having a leader means you must trust them. If they fail, then you get a new leader. If not, then you must trust them. If we can't trust unions, who are we supposed to trust?

Every man for himself, in labor, translates to management wins.

"Every man for himself" is exactly what we have in ALPA...... what does this translate into?

 

[JoeMerchant]

Oh, by the way, if you want to change AFL-CIO policy, get involved, go to the meetings, and talk to the people who affect policy. Don't whine to ALPA pilots, who, quite frankly, have enough crap to deal with already. Illegals can't be pilots.

Oh, by the way, if you don't understand the significance of the AFL-CIO defending illegal aliens, then you don't really understand the definition of hypocrisy...

 

[belchfire]

Sure. I think the President's salary (and the compensation packages of the other three Officers for that matter) should be increased even more. I spoke with several members of the compensation committee at last year's BOD to voice my concerns that the current compensation package does not offer enough incentive to attract the best candidates. One member of the committee proposed having an outside executive compensation consultant hired in order to evaluate the current packages and make recommendations to future BOD committees. That proposal was not accepted, but I think it was a good idea. The Association President is vastly underpaid for the amount of work and responsibility that he has.

Ya know, if his pay was capped at top Captain pay at the lowest paid group he represents things would fracking change in a hurry!!!

By giving him top pay average, now he has his and screw the little guy...it's human nature.

Funny Joe, I thought that I was the only one that thought unions had become big business in their own right and ceased representing their members...

Why should a CEO that stays at the helm of a company that is bordering on bankruptcy two to five years get a many-million dollar buyout when he just stole the retirement of crews that had been moving metal for 20 years?

 

[PCL_128]

Ya know, if his pay was capped at top Captain pay at the lowest paid group he represents things would fracking change in a hurry!!!

Yeah, things would change in a hurry, alright. All the guys with education, experience, and know-how would drop out of union work and return to the line so they could get their normal income back. You'd be left with a few junior regional guys with no experience who just want the full-time buy and fancy title on a business card. You'd be begging Prater and friends to come back within a few months.

By giving him top pay average, now he has his and screw the little guy...it's human nature.

Yeah, that's why these guys work 20-hour days, 7 days a week, and only get to go home one weekend a month, if that. I wish some of you guys would hang around Herndon for a couple of days and see exactly what these people do for you.

Why should a CEO that stays at the helm of a company that is bordering on bankruptcy two to five years get a many-million dollar buyout when he just stole the retirement of crews that had been moving metal for 20 years?

What does that have to do with unions?

 

[John Pennekamp]

"Every man for himself" is exactly what we have in ALPA...... what does this translate into?

My friend, you are such a hypocrite. You call for ALPA to stop the disunity, but when you're approached in the crew lounge by a bunch of pilots who want to know why you're not on board with the pilot group (by taxiing fast, picking up time, doing ASA favors, etc) you tell us "I'm my own man, ALPA is all about itself, and so am I".

Unity starts at home. ALPA will always be all about number one when the rank and file like you acts that way.

 

[XJohXJ]

Oh, by the way, if you don't understand the significance of the AFL-CIO defending illegal aliens, then you don't really understand the definition of hypocrisy...

Blah blah blah Joe. Get involved if you want change. That's how it works in this country. If you want to get rid of ALPA, start a decertification at your current airline. If it wins, you win. If it loses, at least you tried. That's how democracy works.

Yes, I do understand why the AFL-CIO would support a reasonable path to legalization (regardless of my personal feelings on the issue). Do you? Why don't you explain? You rant about it, but you haven't said, specifically, keeping reality in mind, what your specific problem with the issue is.

AFL-CIO wants to increase their membership. The jobs being done by illegals now should actually be Unionized jobs. They are straight up union labor jobs. If they can get them unionized again, and raise the pay to where it should be (those corporations sure do love their illegal alien labor supply-help that labor to become legal, and raise the pay), maybe citizens would go for those jobs again, reducing demand for illegals. Thousands upon thousands of middle class families rose up out of unionized slaughterhouse jobs and other union labor shops. Nowadays, with "every man for himself" and economic anarchy, the middle class are dying out. AFL-CIO is trying to do something to make things better for labor. Are you doing anything, Joe?

ALPA want to increase their membership, as well. It is not about personal money, it is entirely about national strength and national political and economic power. Without numbers, and unity, no repairs to the current damage can be made. It really is that simple.

 

[XJohXJ]

By the way Joe, do you also blame ALPA when it's a rainy day, or drought has struck, or it's a really cold winter?

 

[737 Pylt]

My friend, you are such a hypocrite. You call for ALPA to stop the disunity, but when you're approached in the crew lounge by a bunch of pilots who want to know why you're not on board with the pilot group (by taxiing fast, picking up time, doing ASA favors, etc) you tell us "I'm my own man, ALPA is all about itself, and so am I".

Unity starts at home. ALPA will always be all about number one when the rank and file like you acts that way.

Holy crap on a stick! I agree with JP on this one!
Joe, much like a neutered dog, just doesn't get it!

737

 

[JoeMerchant]

My friend, you are such a hypocrite. You call for ALPA to stop the disunity, but when you're approached in the crew lounge by a bunch of pilots who want to know why you're not on board with the pilot group (by taxiing fast, picking up time, doing ASA favors, etc) you tell us "I'm my own man, ALPA is all about itself, and so am I".

Unity starts at home. ALPA will always be all about number one when the rank and file like you acts that way.

I'm not a "hypocrite", I am a realist.... ALPA will never change, and pilots will never change.....

I would like ALPA to change, but it won't.... I am picking up as much open time as I can and I will not support ALPA until it changes..... I don't wear an ALPA pin any longer and I could really care less if ALPA survives.... ALPA brought this on itself, and if it doesn't want to change, then it needs to suffer the consequences....

The average ALPA pilot, or any airline pilot for that matter, will always look out for number one first, and number one ain't me.... there for I need to look out for number one.... ALPA isn't going to do it....

 

[JoeMerchant]

Blah blah blah Joe. Get involved if you want change. That's how it works in this country. If you want to get rid of ALPA, start a decertification at your current airline. If it wins, you win. If it loses, at least you tried. That's how democracy works.

Yes, I do understand why the AFL-CIO would support a reasonable path to legalization (regardless of my personal feelings on the issue). Do you? Why don't you explain? You rant about it, but you haven't said, specifically, keeping reality in mind, what your specific problem with the issue is.

AFL-CIO wants to increase their membership. The jobs being done by illegals now should actually be Unionized jobs. They are straight up union labor jobs. If they can get them unionized again, and raise the pay to where it should be (those corporations sure do love their illegal alien labor supply-help that labor to become legal, and raise the pay), maybe citizens would go for those jobs again, reducing demand for illegals. Thousands upon thousands of middle class families rose up out of unionized slaughterhouse jobs and other union labor shops. Nowadays, with "every man for himself" and economic anarchy, the middle class are dying out. AFL-CIO is trying to do something to make things better for labor. Are you doing anything, Joe?

ALPA want to increase their membership, as well. It is not about personal money, it is entirely about national strength and national political and economic power. Without numbers, and unity, no repairs to the current damage can be made. It really is that simple.

Illegal imigration drives down labor costs and it is a security issue..... If the AFL-CIO is more concerned with defending potential members who may be security threats and are illegal aliens.... then I believe they are out of touch with their membership.....

As usual, unions are more about increasing membership and dues than protecting American citizens....

 

[XJohXJ]

I'm sorry if I wasn't clear in my post.

Yes, you bet, we all agree that illegal immigration drives down wages. The whole point of the AFL-CIO supporting a path to legalization is to bring those wages BACK UP again.

I agree that illegal immigration should not happen. However, it does, and rather than hang up on how things should be, we might be better off to respond to how things actually ARE. There is simply no way in heaven or h3ll for our nations underfunded law enforcement and immigration forces to remove millions upon millions of humans from our country. It just ain't gonna happen, regardless of if it SHOULD happen. So, these people are here. How can we improve things for our citizens? How about working positively to get them into the system, paying taxes, and eliminating the downward pressure they put on wages.

 

[JoeMerchant]

I'm sorry if I wasn't clear in my post.

Yes, you bet, we all agree that illegal immigration drives down wages. The whole point of the AFL-CIO supporting a path to legalization is to bring those wages BACK UP again.

I agree that illegal immigration should not happen. However, it does, and rather than hang up on how things should be, we might be better off to respond to how things actually ARE. There is simply no way in heaven or h3ll for our nations underfunded law enforcement and immigration forces to remove millions upon millions of humans from our country. It just ain't gonna happen, regardless of if it SHOULD happen. So, these people are here. How can we improve things for our citizens? How about working positively to get them into the system, paying taxes, and eliminating the downward pressure they put on wages.

How about enforcing the law and shipping them back to where they came from and securing the border to prevent more from coming in..... Is that too much to ask?

The majority of ALPA members are conservative in nature.... If ALPA and the AFL-CIO continue to thumb their nose at those members, then you can expect more of the same.... little unity and little PAC money.... ALPA and AFL-CIO's choice.....

 

[XJohXJ]

How about enforcing the law and shipping them back to where they came from and securing the border to prevent more from coming in..... Is that too much to ask?

Practically speaking, yes.

How in the world is our government going to round up and process and deport MILLIONS of people? Maybe they should, but they CAN'T.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Practically speaking, yes.

How in the world is our government going to round up and process and deport MILLIONS of people? Maybe they should, but they CAN'T.

Why "can't" they? It would be pretty easy to round up most.... we all know where to find them? The ironic thing is, the AFL-CIO and big business are on the same page when it come to illegal immigration.... what do they say about "politics and strange bedfellows"?.....

If this country can't enforce it's borders and it's laws, then we need to find leaders who can..... Hillary and the AFL-CIO aren't the leaders we need.....