question for military C-12 crews

[satpak77]

The B-200 King Air is a single pilot airplane, no such thing as "SIC" time.

How are you C-12 guys logging co-pilot/SIC time?

I understand the C-12 does not possess an FAA B-200 Airworthiness Certificate, and military is "public use"/military, but I was curious and wanted to ask

How are you discussing this at airline interviews? "The SIC is a required crewmember per our regulations and it is logged as such" or similar?

thanks

 

[pilotyip]

The military requires two pilots by regulation. Therefore, it is legit flight time. The military also classifies the BE-300/350 as a C-12, which does require two pilots. The same applies for SIC or second pilot time in a single airplane like the T-34/T-28

 

[psysicx]

How long do people sit in the right seat before upgrading?

 

[JungleJetCA]

Comparing Navy flight time with FAA flight time is like apples and oranges. If you look at a Navy log book, it bears no resemblance of your typical logbook. The Navy in fact, is behind the times when it comes to logging flight time. It has four columns, First Pilot, Co-Pilot, A/C Comander, Special Crew Time. But, the Navy really doesn't care. It's not in the profession of making airline pilots. When it comes down to it, the Navy logbook is for two things, currency and flight pay. So, when Navy pilots attempt to convert their flight time to fill out applications, they have to do a little translating and everyone seems to have a different interpretation. When it comes to multi-piloted aircraft in the Navy, it again bears no resemblance to civilian flight time. So when Navy guys start saying what they can log as SIC, take it with a grain of salt. There is no right answer, just accepted practices. I've even written to the FAA and can't get a straight answer because it gets so confusing on how the Navy considers an aircraft multi-piloted since most of the airplanes do not have a civilian equivalent or a type rating.
But as far as a T-34 logging SIC, that's pushing it.

 

[CitationXDriver]

The military requires two pilots by regulation. Therefore, it is legit flight time. The military also classifies the BE-300/350 as a C-12, which does require two pilots. The same applies for SIC or second pilot time in a single airplane like the T-34/T-28

The BE-300/350 is also certified for single pilot ops with the appropriate single pilot checkride.

 

[skiddriver]

It's actually pretty simple. The Navy/USMC counts co-pilot time in the C-12 as flight time and it goes in your record for total time.

The airlines don't generally care about SIC time, they look at PIC and total. The C-12 aircraft commander time is the PIC they want unless they specify a weight restriction, the total column (minus helo time for most airlines) is the total time. If the specific airline has an SIC column to fill in, they also generally want the total time = PIC + SIC, so any graduate of Math for Marines can figure that one out.

It doesn't really matter how the civilian operators do it. Military flight time is logged to military standards, and the airlines and the FAA accept it as such. Heck, the FAA gave me a B200 type rating because the C-12B is rated for takeoff at 13,500, and they did it without me putting it on my ATP 8710.